UK interested in joining USMCA

[lfromnj]

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-considers-joining-existing-us-mexico-canada-trade-deal-as-hopes-of-standalone-post-brexit-agreement-fade-12414023


Hopefully the rest of the EU breaks up so we get better trade deals.

[Bismarck]

I think that would be fine. UK should always be our closest ally, along with Australia and Canada.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

TTIP was controversial enough before coronavirus and Brexit. With the continued rise of anti-globalist sentiment, the goals of the Johnson administration and the risk of opposition gains, no British stake in this agreement will pass the Commons.

[Santander]

Thank you Mr. Trump for renaming killing NAFTA and securing long-term free trade!

[Zinneke]

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-considers-joining-existing-us-mexico-canada-trade-deal-as-hopes-of-standalone-post-brexit-agreement-fade-12414023


Hopefully the rest of the EU breaks up so we get better trade deals.

Europeans have a different regulatory culture. They actually want a semblance of consumer protection without having to go through a litigation lawyer. If you respect the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the right to self-determination, surely you respect the EU member-states - headed by democratically elected governments - wishes to set up a Single Market with common rules and consumer protection.

[EastAnglianLefty]

The chances of this happening are slim to none. The Tories like talking about trade deals, but in practice they aren't going to push through a very unpopular trade deal that would bankrupt half the UK's farmers and blow a massive hole in the NHS's budget in the run-up to an election.

[Cassius]

Conservative party needs to shut up about sodding trade deals and do the investment work itself.

The chances of this happening are slim to none. The Tories like talking about trade deals, but in practice they aren't going to push through a very unpopular trade deal that would bankrupt half the UK's farmers and blow a massive hole in the NHS's budget in the run-up to an election.

Know about the farmers, but what’s the issue in particular with the NHS (I’m sure there is one it’s just a subject I’m not on top of).

[EastAnglianLefty]

US pharmaceutical companies aren't happy that the NHS uses its bargaining power to pay a very low price for drugs and want any trade deal to raise the price paid. Given that that is a substantial proportion of the NHS's spending, that would have knock-on consequences.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

US pharmaceutical companies aren't happy that the NHS uses its bargaining power to pay a very low price for drugs and want any trade deal to raise the price paid. Given that that is a substantial proportion of the NHS's spending, that would have knock-on consequences.

That has literally never happened and I think a large part of why Labour is failing is that they are unable to grasp the NHS argument no longer works. Labour has insinuated roughly 600 times that this or that Tory bill would be the end of the NHS and would lead to it being sold off.

It's a boy who cried wolf argument that's not going to work or change anybody's mind anymore.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

US pharmaceutical companies aren't happy that the NHS uses its bargaining power to pay a very low price for drugs and want any trade deal to raise the price paid. Given that that is a substantial proportion of the NHS's spending, that would have knock-on consequences.

That has literally never happened and I think a large part of why Labour is failing is that they are unable to grasp the NHS argument no longer works. Labour has insinuated roughly 600 times that this or that Tory bill would be the end of the NHS and would lead to it being sold off.

It's a boy who cried wolf argument that's not going to work or change anybody's mind anymore.

It keeps being used because it remains one of Labour’s most effective tools. The rhetoric becoming staler is offset by the population growing older and more dependent on it.

They are further underwater on other major issues than they are on the NHS.

[parochial boy]

The NHS is also currently in a significantly worse state that it was 10 years ago, and has been going throug constant crises that were almost entirely caused by the political decisions made by the Tories.

In any case, it is really not difficult to imagine that the conditions for a UK-US trade deal would include clauses on competition law in the health sector; rights to market access; rules on the medical approval and regulation processes that would all combine to strip a fair deal of autonomy away from the NHS.

[EastAnglianLefty]

US pharmaceutical companies aren't happy that the NHS uses its bargaining power to pay a very low price for drugs and want any trade deal to raise the price paid. Given that that is a substantial proportion of the NHS's spending, that would have knock-on consequences.

That has literally never happened and I think a large part of why Labour is failing is that they are unable to grasp the NHS argument no longer works. Labour has insinuated roughly 600 times that this or that Tory bill would be the end of the NHS and would lead to it being sold off.

It's a boy who cried wolf argument that's not going to work or change anybody's mind anymore.

Reading comprehension is your friend. The NHS paying more for drugs does not equal the NHS being sold off; it would however raise NHS spending without improving patient outcomes.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

US pharmaceutical companies aren't happy that the NHS uses its bargaining power to pay a very low price for drugs and want any trade deal to raise the price paid. Given that that is a substantial proportion of the NHS's spending, that would have knock-on consequences.

That has literally never happened and I think a large part of why Labour is failing is that they are unable to grasp the NHS argument no longer works. Labour has insinuated roughly 600 times that this or that Tory bill would be the end of the NHS and would lead to it being sold off.

It's a boy who cried wolf argument that's not going to work or change anybody's mind anymore.

Reading comprehension is your friend. The NHS paying more for drugs does not equal the NHS being sold off; it would however raise NHS spending without improving patient outcomes.

Canada noticeablaly falls under the deal and has one of the most public healthcare systems in the world even more than the NHS.while still having a similar expenditure on drugs

[CumbrianLefty]

This is more "dead cat" stuff from Johnson, we should be used to it by now.

[rc18]

Probably more chance of both the UK and US joining CPTPP, and that's far from certain.

[MaxQue]

US pharmaceutical companies aren't happy that the NHS uses its bargaining power to pay a very low price for drugs and want any trade deal to raise the price paid. Given that that is a substantial proportion of the NHS's spending, that would have knock-on consequences.

That has literally never happened and I think a large part of why Labour is failing is that they are unable to grasp the NHS argument no longer works. Labour has insinuated roughly 600 times that this or that Tory bill would be the end of the NHS and would lead to it being sold off.

It's a boy who cried wolf argument that's not going to work or change anybody's mind anymore.

Reading comprehension is your friend. The NHS paying more for drugs does not equal the NHS being sold off; it would however raise NHS spending without improving patient outcomes.

Canada noticeablaly falls under the deal and has one of the most public healthcare systems in the world even more than the NHS.while still having a similar expenditure on drugs

The original deal included a clause lenghthning the exclusivity period of new drugs to 10 years (which would have hurt Mexico and Canada much), but it had to be removed, as the Democrat House wanted none of it.