Mississippi Abortion Ban Case to be Heard December 1 by Supreme Court
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
October 16, 2021, 12:42:24 AM

  Talk Elections
  General Discussion
  Constitution and Law (Moderator: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자))
  Mississippi Abortion Ban Case to be Heard December 1 by Supreme Court
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: Mississippi Abortion Ban Case to be Heard December 1 by Supreme Court  (Read 875 times)
Frodo
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,444
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: September 20, 2021, 05:42:57 PM »

Mark your calendars:

Supreme Court sets Dec. 1 for arguments in challenge to Roe v. Wade
The state law has been blocked by lower courts because it directly violates Roe’s protections for pre-viability abortions.
Logged
Skill and Chance
Concerned Citizen
*****
Posts: 7,870
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2021, 06:50:52 PM »

I think they get Roberts as well as Kavanaugh on this one and this is how Roe ends
Logged
Lincoln Deputy Dwarven Dragon
Dwarven Dragon
Atlas Politician
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,195
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.58, S: 0.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2021, 11:03:20 PM »

Looking forward to it, but also very unsure what will occur. Roberts votes with the Liberals fairly often these days, and as a pro-life person, this part of the Gorsuch hearing has always made me wonder if he is actually willing to be the deciding vote to overturn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08EdjHJgoI
Logged
Skill and Chance
Concerned Citizen
*****
Posts: 7,870
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2021, 10:32:36 AM »

Looking forward to it, but also very unsure what will occur. Roberts votes with the Liberals fairly often these days, and as a pro-life person, this part of the Gorsuch hearing has always made me wonder if he is actually willing to be the deciding vote to overturn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08EdjHJgoI

Based on Gorsuch's concurrences and dissents so far, I would be shocked if he doesn't vote to uphold the Mississippi law and overturn Roe. 

We can safely say he would never overturn Obergefell, though. 
Logged
NewYorkExpress
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,714
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2021, 03:21:31 AM »

Looking forward to it, but also very unsure what will occur. Roberts votes with the Liberals fairly often these days, and as a pro-life person, this part of the Gorsuch hearing has always made me wonder if he is actually willing to be the deciding vote to overturn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08EdjHJgoI
We can safely say he would never overturn Obergefell, though. 

Given Roberts voted against Obergefell, I think he'd vote to overturn it.

Indeed, if a legitimate case seeking to overturn Obergefell made it's way to the Supreme Court, it would probably be a 6-3 decision to overturn. I can't think of a reason for any of the conservative justices to vote for upholding it.
Logged
SR JSOE ANTONIO KAST?
Alfred F. Jones
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,534
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2021, 07:05:04 AM »

Looking forward to it, but also very unsure what will occur. Roberts votes with the Liberals fairly often these days, and as a pro-life person, this part of the Gorsuch hearing has always made me wonder if he is actually willing to be the deciding vote to overturn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08EdjHJgoI
We can safely say he would never overturn Obergefell, though. 

Given Roberts voted against Obergefell, I think he'd vote to overturn it.

Indeed, if a legitimate case seeking to overturn Obergefell made it's way to the Supreme Court, it would probably be a 6-3 decision to overturn. I can't think of a reason for any of the conservative justices to vote for upholding it.


Didn’t Roberts essentially say that he wouldn’t in June Medical? He wrote a whole opinion about how he thought WWH was wrongly decided but he would still rule based on it because it was precedent. I think this is a 5-4 decision with him and the liberals dissenting.
Logged
NewYorkExpress
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,714
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2021, 07:08:36 AM »

Looking forward to it, but also very unsure what will occur. Roberts votes with the Liberals fairly often these days, and as a pro-life person, this part of the Gorsuch hearing has always made me wonder if he is actually willing to be the deciding vote to overturn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08EdjHJgoI
We can safely say he would never overturn Obergefell, though. 

Given Roberts voted against Obergefell, I think he'd vote to overturn it.

Indeed, if a legitimate case seeking to overturn Obergefell made it's way to the Supreme Court, it would probably be a 6-3 decision to overturn. I can't think of a reason for any of the conservative justices to vote for upholding it.


Didn’t Roberts essentially say that he wouldn’t in June Medical? He wrote a whole opinion about how he thought WWH was wrongly decided but he would still rule based on it because it was precedent. I think this is a 5-4 decision with him and the liberals dissenting.

Roberts also knows that discriminating against Gay people is what motivates Republican voters. That and abortion.
Logged
SR JSOE ANTONIO KAST?
Alfred F. Jones
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,534
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2021, 07:09:25 AM »

Looking forward to it, but also very unsure what will occur. Roberts votes with the Liberals fairly often these days, and as a pro-life person, this part of the Gorsuch hearing has always made me wonder if he is actually willing to be the deciding vote to overturn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08EdjHJgoI
We can safely say he would never overturn Obergefell, though. 

Given Roberts voted against Obergefell, I think he'd vote to overturn it.

Indeed, if a legitimate case seeking to overturn Obergefell made it's way to the Supreme Court, it would probably be a 6-3 decision to overturn. I can't think of a reason for any of the conservative justices to vote for upholding it.


Didn’t Roberts essentially say that he wouldn’t in June Medical? He wrote a whole opinion about how he thought WWH was wrongly decided but he would still rule based on it because it was precedent. I think this is a 5-4 decision with him and the liberals dissenting.

Roberts also knows that discriminating against Gay people is what motivates Republican voters. That and abortion.


I don’t think it is anymore. Trans people, yes, but not the gays.
Logged
this is a displayname
EastOfEden
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,517


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2021, 01:19:54 PM »

I'm honestly starting to almost hope for the overturn. I just want judges to stop being the obsession in every election. I want the issue to go away. I'm so tired.
Logged
Bacon King
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 18,579
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.63, S: -9.49


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2021, 11:29:37 AM »

I'm honestly starting to almost hope for the overturn. I just want judges to stop being the obsession in every election. I want the issue to go away. I'm so tired.

if anything, the overturn of Roe v. Wade would make the judiciary even MORE important in future elections
Logged
this is a displayname
EastOfEden
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,517


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2021, 12:53:44 PM »

I'm honestly starting to almost hope for the overturn. I just want judges to stop being the obsession in every election. I want the issue to go away. I'm so tired.

if anything, the overturn of Roe v. Wade would make the judiciary even MORE important in future elections

Would it? I see it as sending the issue back to the states, where it can be fought as a local battle once again.

Whatever happens, there is a bandaid that needs to be ripped off. Dems need to either pack the court or get ready for the overturn. This has been a point of tension in the country for too long.
Logged
Senator and Chair WB
weatherboy1102
Atlas Politician
Concerned Citizen
*****
Posts: 8,150
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.61, S: -7.83

P

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2021, 03:50:18 PM »

I'm honestly starting to almost hope for the overturn. I just want judges to stop being the obsession in every election. I want the issue to go away. I'm so tired.

if anything, the overturn of Roe v. Wade would make the judiciary even MORE important in future elections

Would it? I see it as sending the issue back to the states, where it can be fought as a local battle once again.

Whatever happens, there is a bandaid that needs to be ripped off. Dems need to either pack the court or get ready for the overturn. This has been a point of tension in the country for too long.

It would be a huge issue in 2022, so yeah, it'd be talked about a lot. Certainly a lot more dems calling for court packing, potentially those against getting primaried, etc.
Logged
Senator Scott, PPT🎃
Scott
Atlas Politician
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 38,436
Norway


Political Matrix
E: -6.32, S: -7.48

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2021, 05:58:21 PM »

I'm honestly starting to almost hope for the overturn. I just want judges to stop being the obsession in every election. I want the issue to go away. I'm so tired.

if anything, the overturn of Roe v. Wade would make the judiciary even MORE important in future elections

Would it? I see it as sending the issue back to the states, where it can be fought as a local battle once again.

Whatever happens, there is a bandaid that needs to be ripped off. Dems need to either pack the court or get ready for the overturn. This has been a point of tension in the country for too long.

People are going to want a new case under a new judiciary that overturns the case that would overturn Roe, so yes it would still be an issue.

The fundamental difference is that the political energy would swing to the pro-choice side, but abortion will continue to be an issue no matter which way the courts go. It's not in the same category as SSM where even opponents are conceding the issue as settled law for the most part, which I'm more bullish on the current Supreme Court upholding.
Logged
afleitch
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 27,522


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2021, 05:21:18 AM »

Yeah, I agree with Scott that it would more than likely energise the pro-choice side (and Dems) in serious and advantageous ways. But the issue would still be political and it would cause short term pain for those in states denied the right to make medical decisions.
Logged
Senator Scott, PPT🎃
Scott
Atlas Politician
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 38,436
Norway


Political Matrix
E: -6.32, S: -7.48

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2021, 11:26:48 AM »

Yeah, I agree with Scott that it would more than likely energise the pro-choice side (and Dems) in serious and advantageous ways. But the issue would still be political and it would cause short term pain for those in states denied the right to make medical decisions.

One thing I wish the pro-choice group (individual voters, not necessarily orgs... because they already do) would recognize is that getting an abortion has been virtually impossible for probably close to a majority of states for quite some time. A handful of states have only one clinic. The post-Roe reality has already been here for millions of women for the last few decades, particularly those who can't afford to travel. In that sense, the anti-abortion side/GOP arguably benefits politically from having Roe "upheld", but they still win (most of) the legal battles. From a legality/availability perspective, outright repeal might be short-term pain, but long-term gain. It's not a Pandora's Box that I necessarily want to see open (especially if TX-style restrictions become the norm for these states), but these complex laws are going to be subject to the whims of the judiciary for years to come.
Logged
Skill and Chance
Concerned Citizen
*****
Posts: 7,870
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2021, 12:28:33 PM »

I'm honestly starting to almost hope for the overturn. I just want judges to stop being the obsession in every election. I want the issue to go away. I'm so tired.

if anything, the overturn of Roe v. Wade would make the judiciary even MORE important in future elections

Maybe this would be the case if it was a federal 14th Amendment right to life from conception decision that struck down laws permitting abortion nationwide, but no one is even seriously considering that.  If it gets left to the states to allow or restrict as they see fit, then within 5-10 years this gets hashed out in the state legislatures with and candidates of either party below the presidential level can safely take the local majority position on abortion.  It could reduce polarization significantly provided that court packing is off the table after an election or two. 
Logged
Leroy McPherson fan
Leroymcphersonfan
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 401
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2021, 07:19:57 PM »

End roe v wade NOW

BAN abortion
Logged
Senator Spark
Spark498
Atlas Politician
Concerned Citizen
*****
Posts: 8,362
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.87

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2021, 09:51:06 PM »

Could this be the final straw that ends Roe?
Logged
Leroy McPherson fan
Leroymcphersonfan
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 401
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2021, 10:05:48 PM »

Could this be the final straw that ends Roe?
I sure hope so!
Logged
Clinton Democrat
Kander2020
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,987
United States


Political Matrix
E: -4.71, S: -8.61

P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2021, 01:14:38 PM »

Could this be the final straw that ends Roe?

Here's hoping.
Logged
MarkD
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,340
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2021, 04:36:57 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2021, 09:27:01 PM by MarkD »


Ending - overturning - Roe v. Wade will not result in banning abortion nationwide. Overturning it will result in returning control of the issue to the states. Most, if not all, (Atlas) red states will still allow abortion to be legal, and many (Atlas) blue states will ban abortion. Women who are in the latter states who need to get an abortion will be able to travel to the former states to get one.

I worry about what else the Supreme Court majority will say if they do overturn Roe. Roe was a misinterpretation of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. If the Court does overturn Roe, will they also provide the country with a correct explanation of what the Due Process Clause means? If the Court explains the DP Clause in a manner similar to the way the plurality opinion in Webster v. Reproductive Health Services (1989) explained it, then that will mean the Court will continue to give this country an erroneous interpretation of the Clause and that the only reason the Court is upholding state laws that ban abortion is because the Justices politically agree with anti-abortion laws. It will mean that the Court's ruling will still be politically motivated, and the Court will then come under political pressure to reinstate Roe.

Quote
Attempts to overturn Roe will continue as long as the Court adheres to it. And, so long as the decision remains, the Court will be perceived, correctly, as political and will continue to be the target of demonstrations, marches, television advertisements, mass mailings, and the like. Roe, as the greatest example and symbol of judicial usurpation of democratic prerogatives in this century, should be overturned. The Court's integrity requires that. But even if the case is relegated to the dustbin of history where Dred Scott and Lochner lie, the right of privacy and the judicial techniques and attitudes it represents are likely to remain. A more fundamental rethinking of legitimate judicial power than the mere demise of Roe would signify is required. (Robert Bork, "The Tempting of America," (1990), page 116.)
Logged
Josh Shapiro for Governor
PittsburghSteel
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,950
United States


P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2021, 08:51:15 PM »

I'm honestly starting to almost hope for the overturn. I just want judges to stop being the obsession in every election. I want the issue to go away. I'm so tired.

So... you want women to lose the right to a potentially life saving medical procedure because... you're tired of hearing about it? Ok.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.06 seconds with 10 queries.