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« on: September 18, 2021, 11:34:25 PM »

Some say he is a war criminal because he killed civilians in air strikes. If so, who was the last president who wasn't a war criminal?
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2021, 12:57:49 AM »

'Presidents who have indirectly killed noncombatants/civilians while in office'

Biden gave the Pentagon discretionary control over drone strikes in Afghanistan, which then resulted in deaths.
Trump ordered multiple strikes in the middle east that killed civilians.
Obama did the drone strike thing
Bush II started the war on terror
Clinton did the Bosnia thing
Bush I presided over the Gulf War and was probably involved in Iran-Contra
Reagan did Grenada and a whole bunch of Iran-Contra stuff.
Carter almost certainly did during the Lebanon intervention.
Ford did when he presided over the Cambodian Civil War intervention
Nixon presided over years of Vietnam, which is self explanatory
Johnson presided over the ramping up of Vietnam
Kennedy also presided over Vietnam and the Bay of Pigs.
Eisenhower ordered the initial intervention in Vietnam via military advisors.
Truman finished WWII and had Korea happen.
Roosevelt II had most of WWII
Hoover issued orders that indirectly would lead to the death of two Bonus Army members.
Coolidge presided over multiple Banana War conflict occupations
Harding presided over the final native uprising and the Banana wars.
Wilson did World War One
Taft ordered the initial invasion of Nicaragua.
Roosevelt I allowed the suppression of revolts in the Philippines.
McKinley involved the US in the Boxer rebellion and the Spanish-American war.
Cleveland ordered the defeat of several native tribes.
Harrison ordered the Pine Ridge campaign against the Sioux.
Arthur also allowed native suppression measures
Garfield also allowed native suppression measures
Hayes also ordered the elimination of several native tribes.
Grant fought several native tribes, most notably the Battle of Little Big Horn.
Johnson allowed multiple native massacres, including one by George Armstrong Custer
Lincoln presided over the Civil War, including the Battle of Atlanta, where General Sherman allowed/encouraged multiple war crimes. Lincoln promoted him to Major General a few months later. This was actually a good decision but it still counts.
Buchanan allowed more native massacres. He didn't order them but his policy allowed troops to do as they saw fit.
Pierce began the war on the Navajo and the Mormon Wars.
Fillmore ramped up the Apache Wars
Taylor escalated the Cayuse war
Polk presided over the Mexican American war
Van Buren did the Seminole 'relocation' program.
Jackson di- do I really have to go into this?
John Quincy Adams ordered the Winnebago war.
Monroe started the first Seminole war.
Madison presided over the War of 1812.
Jefferson presided over the Barbary War and multiple native suppression measures.
Adams presided over the Quasi War, where multiple civilian merchants were likely killed in retaliation against the French.
Washington started the native american suppression tradition.

Washington-Jefferson could also be included for allowing the slave trade.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2021, 02:09:37 AM »
« Edited: September 19, 2021, 02:13:05 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

While we're at it, Washington sort of started World War 0 (The Seven years war).

Anyways, Hoover is the last President to not have us involved in some sort of war, with Carter being the most limited war since.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2021, 06:44:55 PM »

Yes, and so are all presidents since at least Dubya (and probably much earlier).
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2021, 08:17:02 PM »

Close to being one, yes. Bush Jr. definitely is though.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2021, 12:13:10 AM »

Only if there was clear intent
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2021, 03:36:00 AM »

Yes, and so are all presidents since at least Dubya (and probably much earlier).
Lincoln was a war criminal.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2021, 04:42:28 AM »

No.

You can criticize Joe Biden on a couple of platforms, but not as a war criminal.

The criminality of the Presidential position is something that needs to be put into a larger perspective.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2021, 02:22:50 PM »

Unless we want to create a legal framework for "The Buck Stops Here" and hold Presidents legally responsible for every law broken by any member of the executive branch or military, I have a hard time seeing that case be made for Biden, at least as far as things like botched drone strikes go. Something like the prison at GITMO being sanctioned by each administration and Biden not making a good faith effort to relocate the prisoners there yet seem like a more solid case, but even that is a bit of a stretch for Biden specifically, at least at this point.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2021, 12:09:20 AM »

If he is then every other modern day President is.  But lets be clear, GWB is the war criminal to end all war criminals. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2021, 11:42:36 AM »

If everyone's a war criminal, no one is.
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