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Samof94
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« on: September 18, 2021, 11:20:21 AM »

About 50 years from now when the dust is settled. How will these major american figures mentioned be viewed through the lens of history?

- President Joe Biden
- President Donald Trump
- Hillary Clinton
- President Barack Obama
- President Ronald Reagan
- Bernie Sanders


What do you think?

Biden might come off as some LBJ type figure who took command in a major crisis but was widely criticized for a move that likely saved Afghanistan from something even worse(imagine Daesh running it).
Trump will almost invariably be viewed negatively for everything especially Covid and the riots.   Trumpism  is an ideology scorned by the Tory/Christian Dem party.
Hillary will be seen as semi positive but not that major a figure.
Obama will be seen as a JFK type figure who will be romanticized for health care reform’s early steps and for SSM.
Ronald Reagan might be cast as a forerunner to Trump but less grotesque and blatant.
Bernie Sanders will probably be less memorable than Goldwater(who at least was socially liberal later in life).
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2021, 05:57:54 PM »

I think Trump will be remembered alongside Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Warren Harding, Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon, and George W. Bush as an absolutely awful President and person.

W. is already not seen anymore as a bad person.

Hmmm, seems to me it is more "not quite as bad as Trump". Slight difference.
Exactly. If the GOP finds a popular reverse Clinton-like politician(where they are socially liberal for a Republican) minus the sex scandals, that might change things a lot.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2021, 11:43:10 AM »

Biden will remembered as being like Gerald Ford: A good man who ended “a long national nightmare.”
The Afghanistan withdrawal was a huge deal and I would be surprised if the Taliban were as relevant as they are now. I just think Salafi Jihadism has lots of limitations to it to be a viable long term ideology even for Afghanistan.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2021, 06:08:27 AM »

I'll write the answers to each of these as if I am writing a history book from 2070.

Joe Biden narrowly defeated Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, and was the oldest president ever up to that point. He was able to shepherd the country mostly successfully after the damaging COVID-19 pandemic, but his poorly-executed withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan led to his popularity falling. He tried to keep the country unified in the face of extreme political polarization and distrust, but was mostly unsuccessful.

Donald Trump was elected to the presidency in 2016 after a narrow victory against his opponent, Hillary Clinton, the first woman to be nominated for President by a major party. His term was chaotic, and it marked the beginning of the political polarization we see today, almost 60 years later. Although he had many dedicated supporters and the economy was strong for most of his term, the COVID-19 Pandemic combined with his abrasive rhetoric caused him to narrowly lose re-election to former Vice President Joe Biden, a Democrat.

Hillary Clinton served as the Secretary of State under President Barack Obama. She previously was the First Lady to President Bill Clinton, and a senator. She was the first woman nominated for President by a major party, but lost the 2016 election to Donald Trump.

Barack Obama, the first African American president, was elected in 2008 as a backlash to George W. Bush's unpopularity and the poor economy. He was able to pass significant healthcare reforms into law, but staunch Republican obstructionism in Congress confined him to mainly using executive orders for most of his two terms in office.

Ronald Reagan was elected to the presidency in 1980 because of the bad economy under the previous president, Jimmy Carter. During his lifetime and immediately after his death, he was remembered as a great president due to his charisma and his aggressive stance against the Soviet Union, but his supply-side economic policies and the Iran-Contra affair have caused historians to look at his presidency in a more critical light in recent years.

.......Clinton faced a bruising primary fight against socialist senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, but she got the Democratic nomination with the backing of the party establishment......

Here are some more, because I like doing these.

Bill Clinton was elected to the presidency in 1992 because of an economic recession, and his tenure as president was marked by peace and economic growth despite a hostile congress. However, in his second term, he was impeached for having an affair with a White House staffer and lying about it, and this scandal caused his Vice President, Al Gore, to narrowly lose reelection to Republican George W. Bush of Texas, the son of former President George H.W. Bush.

George W. Bush was elected President in 2000 in an election which was controversial because of his margin of victory, only 537 votes out of over 100 million cast, which led to many alleging that his opponent, Democrat Al Gore, was the real victor. Only several months into his presidency, the September 11 attacks caused Americans to rally around him, and he invaded the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan in an attempt to find the terrorists behind the attacks. However, by his second term, the wars dragged on and the Great Recession occurred on his watch, so he left office very unpopular.
Do Romney.
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2021, 07:09:46 AM »

I'll write the answers to each of these as if I am writing a history book from 2070.

Joe Biden narrowly defeated Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, and was the oldest president ever up to that point. He was able to shepherd the country mostly successfully after the damaging COVID-19 pandemic, but his poorly-executed withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan led to his popularity falling. He tried to keep the country unified in the face of extreme political polarization and distrust, but was mostly unsuccessful.

Donald Trump was elected to the presidency in 2016 after a narrow victory against his opponent, Hillary Clinton, the first woman to be nominated for President by a major party. His term was chaotic, and it marked the beginning of the political polarization we see today, almost 60 years later. Although he had many dedicated supporters and the economy was strong for most of his term, the COVID-19 Pandemic combined with his abrasive rhetoric caused him to narrowly lose re-election to former Vice President Joe Biden, a Democrat.

Hillary Clinton served as the Secretary of State under President Barack Obama. She previously was the First Lady to President Bill Clinton, and a senator. She was the first woman nominated for President by a major party, but lost the 2016 election to Donald Trump.

Barack Obama, the first African American president, was elected in 2008 as a backlash to George W. Bush's unpopularity and the poor economy. He was able to pass significant healthcare reforms into law, but staunch Republican obstructionism in Congress confined him to mainly using executive orders for most of his two terms in office.

Ronald Reagan was elected to the presidency in 1980 because of the bad economy under the previous president, Jimmy Carter. During his lifetime and immediately after his death, he was remembered as a great president due to his charisma and his aggressive stance against the Soviet Union, but his supply-side economic policies and the Iran-Contra affair have caused historians to look at his presidency in a more critical light in recent years.

.......Clinton faced a bruising primary fight against socialist senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, but she got the Democratic nomination with the backing of the party establishment......

Here are some more, because I like doing these.

Bill Clinton was elected to the presidency in 1992 because of an economic recession, and his tenure as president was marked by peace and economic growth despite a hostile congress. However, in his second term, he was impeached for having an affair with a White House staffer and lying about it, and this scandal caused his Vice President, Al Gore, to narrowly lose reelection to Republican George W. Bush of Texas, the son of former President George H.W. Bush.

George W. Bush was elected President in 2000 in an election which was controversial because of his margin of victory, only 537 votes out of over 100 million cast, which led to many alleging that his opponent, Democrat Al Gore, was the real victor. Only several months into his presidency, the September 11 attacks caused Americans to rally around him, and he invaded the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan in an attempt to find the terrorists behind the attacks. However, by his second term, the wars dragged on and the Great Recession occurred on his watch, so he left office very unpopular.
Do Romney.

......Barack Obama was able to comfortably win reelection against Republican Mitt Romney in 2012 despite the sluggish economy because of his charisma and the ability of his organization to increase turnout in key states such as Ohio, Florida, and Virginia........

Sorry if this seems a bit dismissive of Romney, but this is probably the most he will get in a run-of-the-mill history textbook. If he was lucky, he might get something like this instead.

Mitt Romney, a Republican businessman and former Governor of Massachusetts, lost the 2012 presidential election against President Barack Obama. He was the first Mormon to be nominated for president by a major party. After his defeat he moved to Utah and was elected to the U.S. Senate, where he quickly became known for his strong independent views. He was the only Republican senator to vote to convict then-President Donald Trump both times.

I like that. People who ran for President but lost aren’t especially well remembered. I think the Trump thing might be mentioned.
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