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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2021, 07:07:27 PM »
« edited: October 15, 2021, 05:18:17 PM by its_gi_brown »

I'll write the answers to each of these as if I am writing a history book from 2070.

Joe Biden narrowly defeated Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, and was the oldest president ever up to that point. He was able to shepherd the country mostly successfully after the damaging COVID-19 pandemic, but his poorly-executed withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan led to his popularity falling. He tried to keep the country unified in the face of extreme political polarization and distrust, but was mostly unsuccessful.

Donald Trump was elected to the presidency in 2016 after a narrow victory against his opponent, Hillary Clinton, the first woman to be nominated for President by a major party. His term was chaotic, and it marked the beginning of the political polarization we see today, almost 60 years later. Although he had many dedicated supporters and the economy was strong for most of his term, the COVID-19 Pandemic combined with his abrasive rhetoric caused him to narrowly lose re-election to former Vice President Joe Biden, a Democrat. He is notable for being the first president with no prior experience in public service, and the first president to be impeached twice (once for illegally asking a foreign government to investigate his political rival, Joe Biden, and the other for inciting a riot which nearly harmed members of Congress).

Hillary Clinton served as the Secretary of State under President Barack Obama. She previously was the First Lady to President Bill Clinton, and a senator. She was the first woman nominated for President by a major party, but lost the 2016 election to Donald Trump.

Barack Obama, the first African American president, was elected in 2008 as a backlash to George W. Bush's unpopularity and the poor economy. He was able to pass significant healthcare reforms into law, but staunch Republican obstructionism in Congress confined him to mainly using executive orders for most of his two terms in office.

Ronald Reagan was elected to the presidency in 1980 because of the bad economy under the previous president, Jimmy Carter. During his lifetime and immediately after his death, he was remembered as a great president due to his charisma and his aggressive stance against the Soviet Union, but his supply-side economic policies and the Iran-Contra affair have caused historians to look at his presidency in a more critical light in recent years.

.......Clinton faced a bruising primary fight against socialist senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, but she got the Democratic nomination with the backing of the party establishment......

Here are some more, because I like doing these.

Bill Clinton was elected to the presidency in 1992 because of an economic recession, and his tenure as president was marked by peace and economic growth despite a hostile congress. However, in his second term, he was impeached for having an affair with a White House staffer and lying about it, and this scandal caused his Vice President, Al Gore, to narrowly lose reelection to Republican George W. Bush of Texas, the son of former President George H.W. Bush.

George W. Bush was elected President in 2000 in an election which was controversial because of his margin of victory, only 537 votes out of over 100 million cast, which led to many alleging that his opponent, Democrat Al Gore, was the real victor. Only several months into his presidency, the September 11 attacks caused Americans to rally around him, and he invaded the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan in an attempt to find the terrorists behind the attacks. However, by his second term, the wars dragged on and the Great Recession occurred on his watch, so he left office very unpopular.


EDIT: I added Donald Trump's two impeachments.
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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2021, 06:08:27 AM »

I'll write the answers to each of these as if I am writing a history book from 2070.

Joe Biden narrowly defeated Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, and was the oldest president ever up to that point. He was able to shepherd the country mostly successfully after the damaging COVID-19 pandemic, but his poorly-executed withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan led to his popularity falling. He tried to keep the country unified in the face of extreme political polarization and distrust, but was mostly unsuccessful.

Donald Trump was elected to the presidency in 2016 after a narrow victory against his opponent, Hillary Clinton, the first woman to be nominated for President by a major party. His term was chaotic, and it marked the beginning of the political polarization we see today, almost 60 years later. Although he had many dedicated supporters and the economy was strong for most of his term, the COVID-19 Pandemic combined with his abrasive rhetoric caused him to narrowly lose re-election to former Vice President Joe Biden, a Democrat.

Hillary Clinton served as the Secretary of State under President Barack Obama. She previously was the First Lady to President Bill Clinton, and a senator. She was the first woman nominated for President by a major party, but lost the 2016 election to Donald Trump.

Barack Obama, the first African American president, was elected in 2008 as a backlash to George W. Bush's unpopularity and the poor economy. He was able to pass significant healthcare reforms into law, but staunch Republican obstructionism in Congress confined him to mainly using executive orders for most of his two terms in office.

Ronald Reagan was elected to the presidency in 1980 because of the bad economy under the previous president, Jimmy Carter. During his lifetime and immediately after his death, he was remembered as a great president due to his charisma and his aggressive stance against the Soviet Union, but his supply-side economic policies and the Iran-Contra affair have caused historians to look at his presidency in a more critical light in recent years.

.......Clinton faced a bruising primary fight against socialist senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, but she got the Democratic nomination with the backing of the party establishment......

Here are some more, because I like doing these.

Bill Clinton was elected to the presidency in 1992 because of an economic recession, and his tenure as president was marked by peace and economic growth despite a hostile congress. However, in his second term, he was impeached for having an affair with a White House staffer and lying about it, and this scandal caused his Vice President, Al Gore, to narrowly lose reelection to Republican George W. Bush of Texas, the son of former President George H.W. Bush.

George W. Bush was elected President in 2000 in an election which was controversial because of his margin of victory, only 537 votes out of over 100 million cast, which led to many alleging that his opponent, Democrat Al Gore, was the real victor. Only several months into his presidency, the September 11 attacks caused Americans to rally around him, and he invaded the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan in an attempt to find the terrorists behind the attacks. However, by his second term, the wars dragged on and the Great Recession occurred on his watch, so he left office very unpopular.
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« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2021, 01:38:36 PM »

Biden is kind of remembered but not really, and Clinton is remembered even less. Biden is kind of controversial and so is Clinton, though by and large no one really cares. I don't know what some people said about Sanders - he will definitely be remembered, since most of his supporters are young. He'll be controversial but will be remembered as moving the Democratic Party farther to the left and revitalizing a fledging progressive wing. Reagan will be somewhat remembered though not much, mainly for his foreign policy. Obama will be remembered, but not as much more than a liberal president and the first (maybe even only, though that'd be very unlikely) African-American president. Trump will definitely be remembered, as much as or more than (probably more than) Bernie Sanders, and will be remembered negatively for January 6 and the Big Lie.
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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2021, 01:53:47 PM »

I actually think its possible that Obama and Trump could be viewed together in a similar way TR and Wilson are . Just like that era was called the Progressive Era, I think their era could be called the age of populism or the age of outsiders but the difference is while the progressive era is considered a success this era will be considered a failure.

Keep in mind that while Obama and Trump are viewed as very different today and both despise what each other stand for so did Teddy and Wilson. Teddy absolutely hated Wilson and attacked him a lot during his presidency and in extremely harsh terms too. Their approaches were extremely different too, almost as stark as Obama's and Trump's:

Teddy: His foreign policy was based more or less on nationalism and his desire in a way to create an American empire and basically tried to get his agenda passed through the use of the bully pulpit.

Wilson: His foreign policy was more based on a vision of more global cooperation, and governed in a very intellectual and professorial manner.
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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2021, 05:11:36 PM »

I'll write the answers to each of these as if I am writing a history book from 2070.

Joe Biden narrowly defeated Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, and was the oldest president ever up to that point. He was able to shepherd the country mostly successfully after the damaging COVID-19 pandemic, but his poorly-executed withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan led to his popularity falling. He tried to keep the country unified in the face of extreme political polarization and distrust, but was mostly unsuccessful.

Donald Trump was elected to the presidency in 2016 after a narrow victory against his opponent, Hillary Clinton, the first woman to be nominated for President by a major party. His term was chaotic, and it marked the beginning of the political polarization we see today, almost 60 years later. Although he had many dedicated supporters and the economy was strong for most of his term, the COVID-19 Pandemic combined with his abrasive rhetoric caused him to narrowly lose re-election to former Vice President Joe Biden, a Democrat.

Hillary Clinton served as the Secretary of State under President Barack Obama. She previously was the First Lady to President Bill Clinton, and a senator. She was the first woman nominated for President by a major party, but lost the 2016 election to Donald Trump.

Barack Obama, the first African American president, was elected in 2008 as a backlash to George W. Bush's unpopularity and the poor economy. He was able to pass significant healthcare reforms into law, but staunch Republican obstructionism in Congress confined him to mainly using executive orders for most of his two terms in office.

Ronald Reagan was elected to the presidency in 1980 because of the bad economy under the previous president, Jimmy Carter. During his lifetime and immediately after his death, he was remembered as a great president due to his charisma and his aggressive stance against the Soviet Union, but his supply-side economic policies and the Iran-Contra affair have caused historians to look at his presidency in a more critical light in recent years.

.......Clinton faced a bruising primary fight against socialist senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, but she got the Democratic nomination with the backing of the party establishment......

Here are some more, because I like doing these.

Bill Clinton was elected to the presidency in 1992 because of an economic recession, and his tenure as president was marked by peace and economic growth despite a hostile congress. However, in his second term, he was impeached for having an affair with a White House staffer and lying about it, and this scandal caused his Vice President, Al Gore, to narrowly lose reelection to Republican George W. Bush of Texas, the son of former President George H.W. Bush.

George W. Bush was elected President in 2000 in an election which was controversial because of his margin of victory, only 537 votes out of over 100 million cast, which led to many alleging that his opponent, Democrat Al Gore, was the real victor. Only several months into his presidency, the September 11 attacks caused Americans to rally around him, and he invaded the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan in an attempt to find the terrorists behind the attacks. However, by his second term, the wars dragged on and the Great Recession occurred on his watch, so he left office very unpopular.
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......Barack Obama was able to comfortably win reelection against Republican Mitt Romney in 2012 despite the sluggish economy because of his charisma and the ability of his organization to increase turnout in key states such as Ohio, Florida, and Virginia........

Sorry if this seems a bit dismissive of Romney, but this is probably the most he will get in a run-of-the-mill history textbook. If he was lucky, he might get something like this instead.

Mitt Romney, a Republican businessman and former Governor of Massachusetts, lost the 2012 presidential election against President Barack Obama. He was the first Mormon to be nominated for president by a major party. After his defeat he moved to Utah and was elected to the U.S. Senate, where he quickly became known for his strong independent views. He was the only Republican senator to vote to convict then-President Donald Trump both times.
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« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2021, 07:09:46 AM »

I'll write the answers to each of these as if I am writing a history book from 2070.

Joe Biden narrowly defeated Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, and was the oldest president ever up to that point. He was able to shepherd the country mostly successfully after the damaging COVID-19 pandemic, but his poorly-executed withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan led to his popularity falling. He tried to keep the country unified in the face of extreme political polarization and distrust, but was mostly unsuccessful.

Donald Trump was elected to the presidency in 2016 after a narrow victory against his opponent, Hillary Clinton, the first woman to be nominated for President by a major party. His term was chaotic, and it marked the beginning of the political polarization we see today, almost 60 years later. Although he had many dedicated supporters and the economy was strong for most of his term, the COVID-19 Pandemic combined with his abrasive rhetoric caused him to narrowly lose re-election to former Vice President Joe Biden, a Democrat.

Hillary Clinton served as the Secretary of State under President Barack Obama. She previously was the First Lady to President Bill Clinton, and a senator. She was the first woman nominated for President by a major party, but lost the 2016 election to Donald Trump.

Barack Obama, the first African American president, was elected in 2008 as a backlash to George W. Bush's unpopularity and the poor economy. He was able to pass significant healthcare reforms into law, but staunch Republican obstructionism in Congress confined him to mainly using executive orders for most of his two terms in office.

Ronald Reagan was elected to the presidency in 1980 because of the bad economy under the previous president, Jimmy Carter. During his lifetime and immediately after his death, he was remembered as a great president due to his charisma and his aggressive stance against the Soviet Union, but his supply-side economic policies and the Iran-Contra affair have caused historians to look at his presidency in a more critical light in recent years.

.......Clinton faced a bruising primary fight against socialist senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, but she got the Democratic nomination with the backing of the party establishment......

Here are some more, because I like doing these.

Bill Clinton was elected to the presidency in 1992 because of an economic recession, and his tenure as president was marked by peace and economic growth despite a hostile congress. However, in his second term, he was impeached for having an affair with a White House staffer and lying about it, and this scandal caused his Vice President, Al Gore, to narrowly lose reelection to Republican George W. Bush of Texas, the son of former President George H.W. Bush.

George W. Bush was elected President in 2000 in an election which was controversial because of his margin of victory, only 537 votes out of over 100 million cast, which led to many alleging that his opponent, Democrat Al Gore, was the real victor. Only several months into his presidency, the September 11 attacks caused Americans to rally around him, and he invaded the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan in an attempt to find the terrorists behind the attacks. However, by his second term, the wars dragged on and the Great Recession occurred on his watch, so he left office very unpopular.
Do Romney.

......Barack Obama was able to comfortably win reelection against Republican Mitt Romney in 2012 despite the sluggish economy because of his charisma and the ability of his organization to increase turnout in key states such as Ohio, Florida, and Virginia........

Sorry if this seems a bit dismissive of Romney, but this is probably the most he will get in a run-of-the-mill history textbook. If he was lucky, he might get something like this instead.

Mitt Romney, a Republican businessman and former Governor of Massachusetts, lost the 2012 presidential election against President Barack Obama. He was the first Mormon to be nominated for president by a major party. After his defeat he moved to Utah and was elected to the U.S. Senate, where he quickly became known for his strong independent views. He was the only Republican senator to vote to convict then-President Donald Trump both times.

I like that. People who ran for President but lost aren’t especially well remembered. I think the Trump thing might be mentioned.
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2021, 11:40:15 AM »

While I personally don't hate Bill Clinton like many leftist on this forum do, I think he'll more or less be remembered similarly to Calvin Coolidge. A mediocre President who rode out good economic times and did very little to prevent (or did things to contribute to) the problems his successors faced.

As for George W. Bush, I think for the next decade or so he'll be viewed in a positive light for looking that good compared to Trump and for likely looking good compared to whoever the GOP nominates/elects in the next few election cycles. By 2070 however, when Trump and his cultist goons are no longer a factor, Bush will more or less be viewed how he was prior to 2016, one of the worst Presidents we ever had, and one that (abet unintentionally) contributed to the rise of Trump by dumbing down his party and being the President that got nationalist, " 'Murica" culture started.
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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2021, 09:51:46 AM »

Biden: Too early to say, depends on the course his presidency takes which could still go many different ways

Trump: Horrible embarrassment who nearly (I hope just nearly) destroyed the nation

Hillary: Massively redeemed; she will be seen as a trailblazer ahead of her time and electing Trump over her in 2016 will be considered a national disgrace

Obama: Lionized as the first black president; some will criticize aspects of his record (and how they might have inadvertently led to Trump), but overall his image will likely be overwhelmingly positive

Reagan: I doubt as positive as it is now, by that time a more critical look at him and the era he brought about will likely be more mainstream, though I bet he is still popularly credited with helping end the Cold War

Bernie: Either an obscure cult figure like Debs, someone seen as a progressive ahead of his time in his own right, or blamed as a spoiler effect in 2016 like Nader is for 2000. Perhaps a complex mix of all.
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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2021, 12:12:12 PM »

- President Joe Biden Neutral, not very well known. A president that will often be forgotten in name all the presidents challenges.
- President Donald Trump Extremely negative
- Hillary Clinton Very positively
- President Barack Obama Very positively
- President Ronald Reagan Extremely negative
- Bernie Sanders Not very well known, perhaps indeed cult figure but it depends on the future of the world, and whether Bernie is the first for many to come, or whether Bernie is just a one-time phenomen.
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