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« on: September 07, 2021, 08:08:30 PM »

A New York voter who voted for Democrat Al Gore for president and split tickets, by voting for Republican Rick Lazio for U.S. Senate..................
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2021, 08:20:23 PM »

A moderate middle-class to upper-class suburbanite, probably Italian or Irish, living in the suburbs of New York City (Nassau, Rockland, and Suffolk Counties) or in Staten Island-all of which voted for both Gore and Lazio. This could also describe a rural or working-class voter in Upstate New York. These voters would have been skeptical of Hillary Clinton and probably disapproved of her "carpetbagging" to the state.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2021, 08:37:23 PM »

In fact, here are the maps of the two races:

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There were twelve counties that voted for both Gore and Lazio: Broome, Clinton (!), Columbia, Monroe, Montgomery, Nassau, Richmond, Rockland, Seneca, Suffolk, Sullivan, and Ulster. The level of ticket-splitting in the suburbs of New York City was particularly noticeable. Nassau County was 58-39% Gore and 53-45% Lazio. Richmond County (Staten Island) was 52-45% Gore and 58-41% Lazio. Suffolk County went for Gore 53-42%, while Lazio carried it 57-41%. Westchester County went for Gore 59-38%, while Clinton still won it, but by "only" 51-47%.

Lazio also ran ahead of Bush in each of the other NYC boroughs (Brooklyn was 81-16% Gore and 76-23% Clinton; the Bronx was 86-12% Gore and 85-14% Clinton; Manhattan was 80-14% Gore and 77-21% Clinton; and Queens was 75-22% Gore and 70-29% Clinton). Finally, of the major upstate urban counties of New York, Monroe County was 51-44% Gore and 50-48% Lazio, while Albany County was 60-34% Gore and 58-40% Clinton; Erie County 57-38% Gore and 56-42% Clinton; and Onondaga County 54-41% Gore and 53-45% Clinton. Lazio did not overperform Bush by as much throughout most of rural Upstate.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2021, 08:42:11 PM »

In fact, here are the maps of the two races:

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Senatorial:


There were twelve counties that voted for both Gore and Lazio: Broome, Clinton (!), Columbia, Monroe, Montgomery, Nassau, Richmond, Rockland, Seneca, Suffolk, Sullivan, and Ulster. The level of ticket-splitting in the suburbs of New York City was particularly noticeable. Nassau County was 58-39% Gore and 53-45% Lazio. Richmond County (Staten Island) was 52-45% Gore and 58-41% Lazio. Suffolk County went for Gore 53-42%, while Lazio carried it 57-41%. Westchester County went for Gore 59-38%, while Clinton still won it, but by "only" 51-47%.

Lazio also ran ahead of Bush in each of the other NYC boroughs (Brooklyn was 81-16% Gore and 76-23% Clinton; the Bronx was 86-12% Gore and 85-14% Clinton; Manhattan was 80-14% Gore and 77-21% Clinton; and Queens was 75-22% Gore and 70-29% Clinton). Finally, of the major upstate urban counties of New York, Monroe County was 51-44% Gore and 50-48% Lazio, while Albany County was 60-34% Gore and 58-40% Clinton; Erie County 57-38% Gore and 56-42% Clinton; and Onondaga County 54-41% Gore and 53-45% Clinton. Lazio did not overperform Bush by as much throughout most of rural Upstate.

Do you think Lazio carried Canarsie, Brooklyn?
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2021, 08:45:44 PM »

In fact, here are the maps of the two races:

Presidential:


Senatorial:


There were twelve counties that voted for both Gore and Lazio: Broome, Clinton (!), Columbia, Monroe, Montgomery, Nassau, Richmond, Rockland, Seneca, Suffolk, Sullivan, and Ulster. The level of ticket-splitting in the suburbs of New York City was particularly noticeable. Nassau County was 58-39% Gore and 53-45% Lazio. Richmond County (Staten Island) was 52-45% Gore and 58-41% Lazio. Suffolk County went for Gore 53-42%, while Lazio carried it 57-41%. Westchester County went for Gore 59-38%, while Clinton still won it, but by "only" 51-47%.

Lazio also ran ahead of Bush in each of the other NYC boroughs (Brooklyn was 81-16% Gore and 76-23% Clinton; the Bronx was 86-12% Gore and 85-14% Clinton; Manhattan was 80-14% Gore and 77-21% Clinton; and Queens was 75-22% Gore and 70-29% Clinton). Finally, of the major upstate urban counties of New York, Monroe County was 51-44% Gore and 50-48% Lazio, while Albany County was 60-34% Gore and 58-40% Clinton; Erie County 57-38% Gore and 56-42% Clinton; and Onondaga County 54-41% Gore and 53-45% Clinton. Lazio did not overperform Bush by as much throughout most of rural Upstate.

Do you think Lazio carried Canarsie, Brooklyn?

I've never even heard of that place before. What are its demographics?
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2021, 08:49:05 PM »

A mildly sexist NYFD firefighter in Staten Island who liked Bill Clinton and was ok with Gore but found Hillary too shrill.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2021, 07:41:40 PM »

In fact, here are the maps of the two races:

Presidential:


Senatorial:


There were twelve counties that voted for both Gore and Lazio: Broome, Clinton (!), Columbia, Monroe, Montgomery, Nassau, Richmond, Rockland, Seneca, Suffolk, Sullivan, and Ulster. The level of ticket-splitting in the suburbs of New York City was particularly noticeable. Nassau County was 58-39% Gore and 53-45% Lazio. Richmond County (Staten Island) was 52-45% Gore and 58-41% Lazio. Suffolk County went for Gore 53-42%, while Lazio carried it 57-41%. Westchester County went for Gore 59-38%, while Clinton still won it, but by "only" 51-47%.

Lazio also ran ahead of Bush in each of the other NYC boroughs (Brooklyn was 81-16% Gore and 76-23% Clinton; the Bronx was 86-12% Gore and 85-14% Clinton; Manhattan was 80-14% Gore and 77-21% Clinton; and Queens was 75-22% Gore and 70-29% Clinton). Finally, of the major upstate urban counties of New York, Monroe County was 51-44% Gore and 50-48% Lazio, while Albany County was 60-34% Gore and 58-40% Clinton; Erie County 57-38% Gore and 56-42% Clinton; and Onondaga County 54-41% Gore and 53-45% Clinton. Lazio did not overperform Bush by as much throughout most of rural Upstate.

Do you think Lazio carried Canarsie, Brooklyn?

I've never even heard of that place before. What are its demographics?

Canarsie, Brooklyn is a middle class enclave in southern Brooklyn by the water. It is prone to flooding. It was home to white conservadems and Reagan-Bush Republicans until the 1990s, when white flight happened en masse as Black people from East New York, Crown Heights and other sections of Brooklyn moved for the middle class atmosphere....Canarsie was once 80% white in 1980 to 20% white in 2000 and now it is probably 5%-10% percent in the 2020s today......

Canarsie was home to race riots in the 1960s to early 1990s....

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2021, 08:06:19 PM »

In fact, here are the maps of the two races:

Presidential:


Senatorial:


There were twelve counties that voted for both Gore and Lazio: Broome, Clinton (!), Columbia, Monroe, Montgomery, Nassau, Richmond, Rockland, Seneca, Suffolk, Sullivan, and Ulster. The level of ticket-splitting in the suburbs of New York City was particularly noticeable. Nassau County was 58-39% Gore and 53-45% Lazio. Richmond County (Staten Island) was 52-45% Gore and 58-41% Lazio. Suffolk County went for Gore 53-42%, while Lazio carried it 57-41%. Westchester County went for Gore 59-38%, while Clinton still won it, but by "only" 51-47%.

Lazio also ran ahead of Bush in each of the other NYC boroughs (Brooklyn was 81-16% Gore and 76-23% Clinton; the Bronx was 86-12% Gore and 85-14% Clinton; Manhattan was 80-14% Gore and 77-21% Clinton; and Queens was 75-22% Gore and 70-29% Clinton). Finally, of the major upstate urban counties of New York, Monroe County was 51-44% Gore and 50-48% Lazio, while Albany County was 60-34% Gore and 58-40% Clinton; Erie County 57-38% Gore and 56-42% Clinton; and Onondaga County 54-41% Gore and 53-45% Clinton. Lazio did not overperform Bush by as much throughout most of rural Upstate.

Do you think Lazio carried Canarsie, Brooklyn?

I've never even heard of that place before. What are its demographics?

Canarsie, Brooklyn is a middle class enclave in southern Brooklyn by the water. It is prone to flooding. It was home to white conservadems and Reagan-Bush Republicans until the 1990s, when white flight happened en masse as Black people from East New York, Crown Heights and other sections of Brooklyn moved for the middle class atmosphere....Canarsie was once 80% white in 1980 to 20% white in 2000 and now it is probably 5%-10% percent in the 2020s today......

Canarsie was home to race riots in the 1960s to early 1990s....



Given these demographics, Canarsie certainly would have gone for Clinton, although Lazio probably slightly outperformed Bush.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2021, 04:05:46 PM »

Populist Upstater who turned on the Clintons because he thinks Hillary was a carpetbagger. He is probably a man. He also likely has an environmentalist streak causing him to vote for Gore.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2021, 04:16:11 PM »

Populist Upstater who turned on the Clintons because he thinks Hillary was a carpetbagger. He is probably a man. He also likely has an environmentalist streak causing him to vote for Gore.

Do you think he continued to cross party lines and vote for Pataki or Bush in 2002 and 2004 respectively, and voted for Democrats like Spitzer and Cuomo in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018?
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2021, 05:29:33 PM »

Populist Upstater who turned on the Clintons because he thinks Hillary was a carpetbagger. He is probably a man. He also likely has an environmentalist streak causing him to vote for Gore.

Do you think he continued to cross party lines and vote for Pataki or Bush in 2002 and 2004 respectively, and voted for Democrats like Spitzer and Cuomo in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018?
Yes, except that he doesn’t vote for Cuomo in 2014 or 2018. He usually votes D for the senate too.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2021, 10:33:58 AM »

I think my dad might have been one.  He voted for her in 2006 and 2016, but was not a big fan of Hillary, especially back then.   He also tended to vote more for both sides back then than he does now.
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