European Union general discussion

[CumbrianLefty]

<awaits invasion of #FBPE brigade>

[CumbrianLefty]

Its obviousness does not make the importance of officially stating it any less.

[CumbrianLefty]

Aren't they always annoyed about something, though.

[CumbrianLefty]

I suppose the Serbs are delighted about that as well.

[CumbrianLefty]

Any sort of "2 speed" Europe is going to involve the UK (re)joining the second tier, surely.

[CumbrianLefty]

That is indeed very welcome.

[CumbrianLefty]

https://www.politico.eu/article/how-charles-michel-lost-the-room-mette-frederiksen-european-council-migration-economy-french-president-emmanuel-macron-joe-biden-former-belgian-prime-minister/

Glad to see Politico take down this useless nepotistic arrogant self-serving obnoxious cowardly c u n t who is paid a salary higher than Biden's.

Even without retrospect, he was always a somewhat risky choice for that position.

[CumbrianLefty]

Macron's comments on Strategic Autonomy confirm to me that he wants a France-dominated Europe and has autocratic designs that are not dissimilar to autocrats that came before him, only adapted to 21st century realities.

He's had years now to construct a democratic Europe, but what he really wants is a France First Europe while he lectured Trump on how nationalism was a Bad Thing. He is also totally out of touch with most of the EU on the issue of American cooperation and security architecture.

He has to be stopped and that may have to be via the disintegration of the current European project in favour of a new one, if only to fire all the arrogant bureaucrats so far up their own arse and ensure we don't have 3 European "Presidents" jet setting around the world litterally fighting over a seat    to take selfies with students and attend orgies.

I can't picture Macron taking part in an orgy. On the other hand, I could very much picture, Marine Le Pen taking part in one if she ever gets elected President of France.

I am referring to EU officials- we have 3 EU Presidents who trapse around in private jets and just do photoshoots with no real impetus and deal making ability. National government officials tend to be too engrossed and busy for such matters as orgies, although Trump has a dossier on Macron's sex life so who knows.

"Its nowhere near as 'interesting' as mine"?

[CumbrianLefty]

It’s not really very surprising given that:

1. Meloni (unlike Salvini or Berlusconi) doesn’t really have significant ties to Putin.
2. The Ukrainian political scene is very right-wing, as is the case in most ex-Warsaw Pact and Soviet countries, where centre-left as it would be recognised in the English speaking world and Western Europe is basically defunct.
3. The addition of Ukraine would further stymie centralisation efforts within the EU (which, of course, is what happened with the entry of the ex-Warsaw Pact nations, which was one of the reasons why the British pushed so hard for expansion back when we were in the EU, even though that ended up boomeranging spectacularly on the domestic side of the equation), which I assume is something that she would be favourable to (Ukraine would likely be an ally of her government, the Poles and the Hungarians in an “anti-Federalist bloc”).

The first is obvious, though it might be worth looking into *why* that is the case.

Second, agreed on the whole.

Third, this may though be a bit too "seven dimensional chess" for a lot of rightwingers.

[CumbrianLefty]

Its been talked about for literally decades - wake me up when something actually happens there.

[CumbrianLefty]

Orban's bark is worse than his bite, always has been.

Call his bluff more often, I say