Which of the following scenarios do you think would be a justified military intervention by the US?

[Ferguson97]

None of these, considering that the first three would have ulterior motives and would only be used as a pretext anyway.

You would allow a genocide to occur because the US might have "ulterior motives"?

It's not "might." We already know what happened the last time Americans used "humanitarian concerns" to conduct an ethnic cleansing of their own in Southeast Europe.

There are ways of addressing ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity that fit well within the proscriptions of international law without relying on unilateral invasion. We have done this many times - international tribunals are set up for this very reason. Why America should be seen as wholly responsible for this, though, is beyond me.

If you were the US President at the time, would you have entered WW2?

After Pearl Harbor and the German declaration of war, yes. Not prior to that.

So if not for either of those events, you would've been content to just let the Germans kill every last Jew?

[Big Abraham]

None of these, considering that the first three would have ulterior motives and would only be used as a pretext anyway.

You would allow a genocide to occur because the US might have "ulterior motives"?

It's not "might." We already know what happened the last time Americans used "humanitarian concerns" to conduct an ethnic cleansing of their own in Southeast Europe.

There are ways of addressing ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity that fit well within the proscriptions of international law without relying on unilateral invasion. We have done this many times - international tribunals are set up for this very reason. Why America should be seen as wholly responsible for this, though, is beyond me.

If you were the US President at the time, would you have entered WW2?

After Pearl Harbor and the German declaration of war, yes. Not prior to that.

So if not for either of those events, you would've been content to just let the Germans kill every last Jew?

If you actually believe American entry into the war had anything to do with that, you are quite deluded. The United States did not even enter to war for the purpose of opposing Fascism - and the Holocaust of the Jews wasn't even discussed in the press at the time because it was hardly known about. So preventing genocide as a reason for American entry into the war is virtually nonexistent.

In fact, Germany could have been stopped in 1938, before the world war ever occurred. They were not ready for war. The British were able to do this and were contemplating this, and would have been certainly able to do so with American aid, but Hitler wasn't stopped, mainly because the leaders weren't that much opposed to him. In fact, they more or less tolerated him in many ways and even after the war started the elite determined they would be able to live with an expansionist Germany on the condition that the U.S. would displace imperial Japan and have a "grand area" of economic dominance in S.E. Asia. This was a position enunciated by the Council on Foreign Relations which became the official policy of the U.S. government, hence the imposition of an oil embargo and sanctions on Japan, etc. Japan was always the main target, never Germany. So there's no need to be hailing American entry into the war as some kind of humanitarian project.

Hell, the Japanese were monstrous aggressors right through the '30s, equally comparable to many of the Nazi atrocities, but the U.S. was not opposing it at all, all they wanted was that Japan grant America privileged access to China, and that went on just about two weeks before Pearl Harbor. Could that have been prevented, yeah it could have. But once the war took place, my own feeling is that it was a necessary war, once it started.

[Ferguson97]

If you were the US President at the time, would you have entered WW2?

After Pearl Harbor and the German declaration of war, yes. Not prior to that.

So if not for either of those events, you would've been content to just let the Germans kill every last Jew?

If you actually believe American entry into the war had anything to do with that, you are quite deluded. The United States did not even enter to war for the purpose of opposing Fascism - and the Holocaust of the Jews wasn't even discussed in the press at the time because it was hardly known about. So preventing genocide as a reason for American entry into the war is virtually nonexistent.

Yes I'm aware of why the US entered WW2... but I didn't ask for a history lesson, I asked what YOU would do as President.

[Big Abraham]

If you were the US President at the time, would you have entered WW2?

After Pearl Harbor and the German declaration of war, yes. Not prior to that.

So if not for either of those events, you would've been content to just let the Germans kill every last Jew?

If you actually believe American entry into the war had anything to do with that, you are quite deluded. The United States did not even enter to war for the purpose of opposing Fascism - and the Holocaust of the Jews wasn't even discussed in the press at the time because it was hardly known about. So preventing genocide as a reason for American entry into the war is virtually nonexistent.

Yes I'm aware of why the US entered WW2... but I didn't ask for a history lesson, I asked what YOU would do as President.

If you're aware of history, then you wouldn't even be ask the hypothetical of entering the war "to oppose genocide" when the circumstances of the time would preclude that. But my post strongly implies what should have been done. The English should have opposed Hitler earlier, and with American aid if necessary, to prevent a world war. Failing that, the English war effort was necessary and with continued U.S. food, oil, and materiel. After Pearl Harbor and the German declaration of war at that point our direct military intervention was justified, even though it could have been prevented from getting to that point.

[PSOL]

All of these options are too vague to respond to

[Meclazine for Israel]

Under normal circumstances, the first three.

Hoping the US comes to our rescue.