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« on: August 11, 2021, 08:51:51 PM »

The past 13 years in America we have seen a resurgence in racist acts or racist behavior, but racism has been around for 400 years.

I see racism as a form of oppression, basically created by European rich people starting with slavery, or is it?

When does racism end? Can it end? How does it end? What is it? Is the word used too much?
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2021, 11:04:16 PM »

The past 13 years in America we have seen a resurgence in racist acts or racist behavior, but racism has been around for 400 years.

Some dude in 1621: "Guys what if we invented racism? That would be funny I think"
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2021, 02:00:53 PM »

I see racism as a form of oppression, basically created by European rich people starting with slavery, or is it?

Racism's been around for way longer than that, man. You could argue that kind of in group/out group bias is fundamental to humans but it is still something that is unethical.

The current woke crowd presumably thinks racism will be "over" as soon as they feel like they've had enough revenge on white people.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2021, 06:46:52 PM »

Why would it? It's a perfect excuse for continued austerity/free market policy since "leftist" politicians can keep saying "it's easier to work to end racism" than try passing programs that'd help people.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2021, 11:59:51 PM »

Be the change you want to see in the world, bronz.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2021, 07:41:04 AM »

Literally never, there will always be some new way to distinguish in-groups and out-groups.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2021, 12:42:37 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2021, 04:21:07 PM »

I see racism as a form of oppression, basically created by European rich people starting with slavery, or is it?

Racism's been around for way longer than that, man. You could argue that kind of in group/out group bias is fundamental to humans but it is still something that is unethical.

The current woke crowd presumably thinks racism will be "over" as soon as they feel like they've had enough revenge on white people.

Isn't racism about oppression? Black people don't have the economic power, they are prejudiced, however.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2021, 04:33:33 PM »

Literally never, there will always be some new way to distinguish in-groups and out-groups.

Will white Americans be a out-group in 2045, and will Blacks and Latinos be racist to them?

Since white people can experience discrimination but not racism....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJpvFnL6dOk&t=107s
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2021, 06:16:19 PM »

race was made up by the man to divide us

when the sheeple wake up and realize that the man is just using it to make us easier to control then racism will end fast
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2021, 07:36:39 PM »

race was made up by the man to divide us

when the sheeple wake up and realize that the man is just using it to make us easier to control then racism will end fast

Created by European colonizers in 1492, isn't it?

I don't think Black people would start racism that was designed to cause oppression to them...

1) Also, Nelson Mandela once said that that "racism is learned and taught, not born". However, some others say that racism is inherent in someone, especially white people globally.....

Which way is it?

2) Yes, most white people around the world have white privilege and benefit from racism, in 2045 in the United States, will white privilege still be a thing when there is no racial majority in the United States?

https://www.britannica.com/topic/racism



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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2021, 08:05:54 PM »

"When does racism end?" ..... When God lets the human race back into the Garden of Eden.
Other questions to ask:
Who is more powerful in the United States, the forces of racism or the governments (federal, state, and local)?
Are the governments in the United States doing anything to combat discrimination, protecting the rights of minorities? Have the governments been reducing the power of racism?
If the things that the governments have been doing to reduce racism have not been effective enough, what else can they do?
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2021, 08:23:04 PM »

"When does racism end?" ..... When God lets the human race back into the Garden of Eden.
Other questions to ask:
Who is more powerful in the United States, the forces of racism or the governments (federal, state, and local)?
Are the governments in the United States doing anything to combat discrimination, protecting the rights of minorities? Have the governments been reducing the power of racism?
If the things that the governments have been doing to reduce racism have not been effective enough, what else can they do?

What about "racist" or prejudiced behavior and instinct.....what drives a white woman to call the police just because she saw a Black or a Latino person waiting for a bus while standing at the bus stop in a suburb or an area?

What causes a white or Latino police officer to shoot an unarmed Black person 41 times in the back and chest, is it racial fear or is it instinct? Is it police policy?

There is a lot of questions.....
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2021, 05:19:05 AM »

The past 13 years in America we have seen a resurgence in racist acts or racist behavior, but racism has been around for 400 years.

Some dude in 1621: "Guys what if we invented racism? That would be funny I think"

I mean you're being facetious, but social structures normally are created out of convenience and material reality, with the underlying ideology and rationale created post hoc. Compare to feudalism - it wasn't invented by a man in a castle who thought "damn I am create this arbitrary distinction between peasants and nobles" but a long process that emerged during and after the collapse of the Roman Empire. Racism as it exists in America emerged after the material reality of Europeans needing a cheap source of labour suited for warm climates, and tapping into and expanding the existing slave networks in West Africa; a convenience that would become strictly codified and institutionalised as the centuries went on.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2021, 05:17:46 PM »

The past 13 years in America we have seen a resurgence in racist acts or racist behavior, but racism has been around for 400 years.

Some dude in 1621: "Guys what if we invented racism? That would be funny I think"

I mean you're being facetious, but social structures normally are created out of convenience and material reality, with the underlying ideology and rationale created post hoc. Compare to feudalism - it wasn't invented by a man in a castle who thought "damn I am create this arbitrary distinction between peasants and nobles" but a long process that emerged during and after the collapse of the Roman Empire. Racism as it exists in America emerged after the material reality of Europeans needing a cheap source of labour suited for warm climates, and tapping into and expanding the existing slave networks in West Africa; a convenience that would become strictly codified and institutionalised as the centuries went on.

Well, yes, racism has been around for over 400 years....

Europeans created the system of racism, a system of oppression with the British, Spanish, Dutch colonialism, slavery, etc.

1492 started the stupidity of European slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade that spread all over the place.....

What is the difference between the system of racism and "racist" behavior or racial undertones, i.e: a white football coach benching a Black player for kneeling during the playing of the national anthem before the game starts?

Or is that prejudice, which EVERYONE on Earth has prejudice or biases, including Black and Latino and other racial groups....
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2021, 09:43:37 PM »

Racism will never end. There will always be people in the world who are racists. Systematic racism will never truly end, either.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2021, 10:50:07 PM »

Racism will never end. There will always be people in the world who are racists. Systematic racism will never truly end, either.

Why not? Tell me, why not.
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2021, 01:48:09 PM »

Racism will never end. There will always be people in the world who are racists. Systematic racism will never truly end, either.

Why not? Tell me, why not.

There will always be some level of 'racism,' in policing, even if most police officers are completely nonracist. There will definitely be at least one person who, conciously or unconciously, is racist, and who is in a position of power. It depends on what you define as 'systematic racism.' If it means police brutality, perhaps police brutality will end, and then so will systematic racism. But I would define it to include (conciously or subconciously) any racial profiling. For instance, the police is much more likely to suspect an African-American of marijuana possesion than a white person (even though statistics do not justify this disproportionality), and it is much more likely that the former faces a bigger punishment than the latter for the same crime. Most people are, to some level, racist. They may not be actively racist, but they are probably subconciously racist. And, inevitably, many end up in positions of power. It would be incredibly difficult to put only truly completely nonracist and non-prejudicied people in power. There is a lot of 'woke'ness today, but even so, the vast majority of people are probably racist (though they probably aren't actively or conciously racist). And even if they try not to, enough people will let their prejuidices impact their actions in their position of power. So, there will be 'systematic racism,' even if it isn't nearly as bad as it was in the 1960s.
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2021, 04:22:26 PM »

Racism will never end. There will always be people in the world who are racists. Systematic racism will never truly end, either.

Why not? Tell me, why not.

There will always be some level of 'racism,' in policing, even if most police officers are completely nonracist. There will definitely be at least one person who, conciously or unconciously, is racist, and who is in a position of power. It depends on what you define as 'systematic racism.' If it means police brutality, perhaps police brutality will end, and then so will systematic racism. But I would define it to include (conciously or subconciously) any racial profiling. For instance, the police is much more likely to suspect an African-American of marijuana possesion than a white person (even though statistics do not justify this disproportionality), and it is much more likely that the former faces a bigger punishment than the latter for the same crime. Most people are, to some level, racist. They may not be actively racist, but they are probably subconciously racist. And, inevitably, many end up in positions of power. It would be incredibly difficult to put only truly completely nonracist and non-prejudicied people in power. There is a lot of 'woke'ness today, but even so, the vast majority of people are probably racist (though they probably aren't actively or conciously racist). And even if they try not to, enough people will let their prejuidices impact their actions in their position of power. So, there will be 'systematic racism,' even if it isn't nearly as bad as it was in the 1960s.


You can conduct psychology tests on prospective applicants, you can test their racial attitudes or views before they get the job.

You can fire those who have racist social media accounts or racist language said at work, etc.

Police brutality has to be a thing of the past----the country and world will burn if this continues---the Floyd riots were worse than the 1992 Rodney King protests---and this time you had protests around the world, in Britain, France, South Africa, Canada, etc.

Policing as a profession will be extinct if they don't change course---
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2021, 07:09:27 PM »


Wow, you really think so?
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2021, 02:00:41 PM »

The idea of 'whiteness' is inherently evil.

(1) It casts non-whites as dark, dirty, and unclean lesser people
(2) It's a fluid definition that changes based on political expediency
(3) It's both a sword (majoritarianism) and a shield (white victimhood)

When people stop identifying as white is when racism ends.

White people, or whiteness?

If you are from Europe, you are most likely white. How can you not say that you are white when your skin color is white? If a person's skin color is Black, they are Black?
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2021, 02:47:03 PM »

The idea of 'whiteness' is inherently evil.

(1) It casts non-whites as dark, dirty, and unclean lesser people
(2) It's a fluid definition that changes based on political expediency
(3) It's both a sword (majoritarianism) and a shield (white victimhood)

When people stop identifying as white is when racism ends.

White people, or whiteness?

If you are from Europe, you are most likely white. How can you not say that you are white when your skin color is white? If a person's skin color is Black, they are Black?
I am part Italian, English, Irish, and German. None of those are white. Whiteness is racist propaganda meant to subjugate blacks.

So, you are a European. What is white people then? What is that?
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2021, 04:39:06 PM »

So, you are a European. What is white people then? What is that?
Whatever the subjugating majority defines it as. Italians and Irish were not part of the subjugating majority a hundred years ago, but are now. Anybody subject to benefits and privileges of being or passing for white, is white. Circular definition perhaps, but that's how systemic racism works.

What about skin color? What skin color do Europeans have? White skin color....so...........
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