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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2021, 06:12:55 PM »

I mean, what choice do they have? Manchin more than any Democratic senator is at the mercy of a very Republican legislature who will make sure it's impossible for him to get reelected.

How do you figure that? I've got news for you: for over 100 years, since the adoption of the Seventeenth Amendment, U.S. Senators have not had any reason at all to keep their state's legislature happy and contended. The only people in West Virginia Manchin has to worry about are the voters.

Duh, because Republicans all over the country are passing voter restriction bills targeted at reducing Democratic votes. West Virginia barely has the black voters who make the most inviting targets, but the WV legislature will still try to do what they can.

And yes, Manchin is very likely to lose in 2024 regardless. But the WV legislature will raise that chance from 90% to 100% if they're allowed to.
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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2021, 06:53:26 PM »
« Edited: July 29, 2021, 06:57:02 PM by Mr. Kanye West »

I mean, what choice do they have? Manchin more than any Democratic senator is at the mercy of a very Republican legislature who will make sure it's impossible for him to get reelected.

How do you figure that? I've got news for you: for over 100 years, since the adoption of the Seventeenth Amendment, U.S. Senators have not had any reason at all to keep their state's legislature happy and contended. The only people in West Virginia Manchin has to worry about are the voters.

Duh, because Republicans all over the country are passing voter restriction bills targeted at reducing Democratic votes. West Virginia barely has the black voters who make the most inviting targets, but the WV legislature will still try to do what they can.

And yes, Manchin is very likely to lose in 2024 regardless. But the WV legislature will raise that chance from 90% to 100% if they're allowed to.

If Breyer retires in 2022 or 2024 while D's hold the Senate it will boost D's chances, that's why Klobuchar is telling Breyer to retire now

But, yes, we are back in a polarized Environment because Biden when he gave those Stimulus checks and vaccines out said that Covid will end, it's a broken promise that Covid is the same as it is now with inflated gas prices

What did Harris say what is the WH to do with Covid victims and illegal immigrants not legal immigrants entered the country since Biden stopped building wall, get the vaccine

Guess what, people are still in debt and no new stimulus checks and Covid is still here
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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2021, 08:34:18 PM »

Is this is a budgetary matter, could someone explain to me how this isn't subject to a mere fifty plus one vote under reconciliation rather than subject to yet another Republican filibuster?
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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2021, 08:46:48 PM »

I don't believe Manchin is willing to weaken the filibuster to pass it.
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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2021, 09:02:54 PM »

“For the people act” is the most Orwellian name since the “patriot act”.

Republicans never should have the right to invoke Orwell, but even more so now that the GOP has gone full Ingsoc since Trump's ascent.

There’s a lot to criticize the modern GOP for but I think the party that got the dictionary changed to reflect their political priorities is the more Orwellian one.
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« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2021, 09:32:46 PM »

Is this is a budgetary matter, could someone explain to me how this isn't subject to a mere fifty plus one vote under reconciliation rather than subject to yet another Republican filibuster?

The only way it's happening is if all 50 Dems agree to nuke the filibuster, either entirely or for this one bill only.
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« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2021, 09:45:14 PM »



Manchin and Sinema could agree to a voting rights exemption to filibuster.
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« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2021, 11:47:48 PM »

As I said before the SCOTUS will have the final word on this, due to fact Rs are taking D's to Crt for Redistricting in IL

It's funny that users think just because Congress passes a law except for Crt packing and Constitutional Amendment, it doesn't have to clear a Crt challenge, yes it does, it's called Judicial Review, which struck down Jim Crow and Slavery Laws on the Liberal side, now the Crt can use it in the opposite direction

We know what Kennedy said about Redistricting and he was a maverick before ACB that Gerrymandering districts are okay as long as make room for especially immigrants and Black and Brown voters, Manchin provision has no chance with making Computer universal in a nationwide Redistricting

Anyways, the Ds can win the Prez without red wall states but they need it to retain Congress especially the H

But, this Commission on Jan 6th and Breyer retirement may help D's in the midterms, we don't know, there is a hidden female vote out there
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« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2021, 12:36:43 AM »

A “carve out” is the same thing as abolishing the filibuster

Then we've already abolished it several times at this point
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« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2021, 01:17:11 AM »

If this passes (doubtful), then it would probably be the most important piece of legislation since the civil rights act. To my mind, nothing is more important than securing democracy against the GQP, who are trying their best to ensure perpetual minority rule.
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« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2021, 03:00:10 AM »

If this passes (doubtful), then it would probably be the most important piece of legislation since the civil rights act. To my mind, nothing is more important than securing democracy against the GQP, who are trying their best to ensure perpetual minority rule.
If Dems put all their effort into passing this, even if it means passing nothing else for the rest of this congress, it's worth it. Make every promise you need to.
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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2021, 05:31:29 AM »
« Edited: July 30, 2021, 05:35:48 AM by ibagli »

If this passes (doubtful), then it would probably be the most important piece of legislation since the civil rights act.

Depends on what actually gets put in it. The bill as previously written came up substantially short of being that transformative.
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« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2021, 03:38:32 PM »

Would someone mind outlining the main differences between this bill and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act?
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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2021, 04:34:56 PM »
« Edited: July 30, 2021, 04:39:12 PM by Mr. Kanye West »

Its not much difference both bills are attempting to Federalize Elections and ban Gerrymandering districts that the ScOTUS already pulled by Kennedy was Constitutional

The D's have no Voter Suppression in 278 EC states but AZ and GA and all they need is MI, WI and PA  states to win the Election but in 2022 they need TX and FL to stay neutral and OH and MT in 2024 Senate seats to keep the Senate, Congress is stake not the Prez

Many of the Drop boxes that were deleted are in minority districts but you can take it, your ballot to your local Post office and Voter IDs are constitutional

ACB is the swing vote instead of Roberts, since she is the final arbitor on Roe and she will vote to overturn Roe, do you have confidence in her in upholding a ban on gerrymandering, NOT

There is a difference between being Center right and a Maverick, and don't think Rs won't sue they are already taking IL to Crt on Redistricting


This is a Beto bro plan, because without the For the People's Act, he can't run for Gov and defeat Gregg Abbott whom is up 80/20%
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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2021, 07:18:03 PM »

“For the people act” is the most Orwellian name since the “patriot act”.

Republicans never should have the right to invoke Orwell, but even more so now that the GOP has gone full Ingsoc since Trump's ascent.

There’s a lot to criticize the modern GOP for but I think the party that got the dictionary changed to reflect their political priorities is the more Orwellian one.

I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to.
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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2021, 10:15:00 PM »

It looks like TX D's are gonna have to go back to TX
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« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2021, 09:17:30 AM »

Even if the People's Act is accomplished D's are missing one thing urban poverty that will push the D's over the finish line 15.00, minimum wage and a ,4th Stimulus check, Raphael Warnock and Ossoff supported Stimulus checks when we donated to their campaign, they didn't say we would stop giving stimulus checks after this 1400

SSA Seniors have grown kids, they don't qualify for child tax credit, where is the fourth stimulus check


That 1400 was solely based on the Pandemic being Eradicated by July 4th and it did not

Alot of people have started going back to super spreader events, we need our ballgames but some Stadiums not all are packed to the rim, I refuse to go to a game still, it's a super spreader event

You can go to a game but many have season tickets and some are getting virus by going to the games too
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« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2021, 10:58:16 AM »

Even if the People's Act is accomplished D's are missing one thing urban poverty that will push the D's over the finish line 15.00, minimum wage and a ,4th Stimulus check, Raphael Warnock and Ossoff supported Stimulus checks when we donated to their campaign, they didn't say we would stop giving stimulus checks after this 1400

SSA Seniors have grown kids, they don't qualify for child tax credit, where is the fourth stimulus check


That 1400 was solely based on the Pandemic being Eradicated by July 4th and it did not

Alot of people have started going back to super spreader events, we need our ballgames but some Stadiums not all are packed to the rim, I refuse to go to a game still, it's a super spreader event

You can go to a game but many have season tickets and some are getting virus by going to the games too

We get it. You want more money
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« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2021, 10:58:53 AM »

I’m highly skeptical here - I’d be floored if Manchin agreed to a carve out.
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« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2021, 11:04:46 AM »
« Edited: July 31, 2021, 11:10:47 AM by Mr. Kanye West »

Even if the People's Act is accomplished D's are missing one thing urban poverty that will push the D's over the finish line 15.00, minimum wage and a ,4th Stimulus check, Raphael Warnock and Ossoff supported Stimulus checks when we donated to their campaign, they didn't say we would stop giving stimulus checks after this 1400

SSA Seniors have grown kids, they don't qualify for child tax credit, where is the fourth stimulus check


That 1400 was solely based on the Pandemic being Eradicated by July 4th and it did not

Alot of people have started going back to super spreader events, we need our ballgames but some Stadiums not all are packed to the rim, I refuse to go to a game still, it's a super spreader event

You can go to a game but many have season tickets and some are getting virus by going to the games too

We get it. You want more money
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It would be different if Warnock and Ossoff said we are gonna give you only one more stimulus check, make sure you save it don't spend it, because you're not gonna get another one, no they campaigned and won on Stimulus checks plutel and people donated to them

That's why Warnock is such an endangered species he won by 85K Votes

2 Sinema and Manchin are leading all the negotiations on stimulus money and they along with Tester said that there are enough jobs the people don't need another stimulus, yes the people making 50k and up that they gave stimulus money last time to but 35K we need another one


3 that stimulus was based on Covid leaving, we are still in a Pandemic
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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2021, 01:52:08 PM »

I'll believe it when Senate centrists led by Manchin and Sinema agree to a filibuster carveout.  Until then, it is only words.  And words are cheap. 
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« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2021, 01:52:22 PM »

This is well-written essay on the subject of voting rights:

Analysis: Biden is following a script that once doomed Black voters and made the rise of Jim Crow possible

Does anyone agree with his claim that President Biden and his fellow Democrats in Congress are following in the footsteps of their Reconstruction-era Republican predecessors when they ultimately decided that their African American supporters were expendable?  
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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2021, 01:57:33 PM »

This is well-written essay on the subject of voting rights:

Analysis: Biden is following a script that once doomed Black voters and made the rise of Jim Crow possible

Does anyone agree with his claim that President Biden and his fellow Democrats in Congress are following in the footsteps of their Reconstruction-era Republican predecessors when they ultimately decided that their African American supporters were expendable?  

No. Biden is working hard to get this done, and it looks like he's succeeding.
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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2021, 03:36:57 PM »

This is well-written essay on the subject of voting rights:

Analysis: Biden is following a script that once doomed Black voters and made the rise of Jim Crow possible

Does anyone agree with his claim that President Biden and his fellow Democrats in Congress are following in the footsteps of their Reconstruction-era Republican predecessors when they ultimately decided that their African American supporters were expendable?  

I think we’ll only know when we know — when Manchin etc definitively say they will or won’t support a carve out.
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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2021, 04:30:56 PM »

This is well-written essay on the subject of voting rights:

Analysis: Biden is following a script that once doomed Black voters and made the rise of Jim Crow possible

Does anyone agree with his claim that President Biden and his fellow Democrats in Congress are following in the footsteps of their Reconstruction-era Republican predecessors when they ultimately decided that their African American supporters were expendable?  

Yes and if Biden doesn’t change course and successfully pass legislation addressing this and the GOP nominee isn’t part of the Trump family, I pray to the almighty that he loses reelection in 2024 due to low African-American turnout.  
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