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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2021, 06:19:50 PM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Yes.
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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2021, 06:21:50 PM »

DeSantis can lose in 2022 and it's silly to claim otherwise.
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« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2021, 06:23:37 PM »

DeSantis can lose in 2022 and it's silly to claim otherwise.

He is running against two clowns, so no.

He wins by 7-8+ points and possibly more.
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« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2021, 09:50:58 PM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Florida is a state where Republicans outperform the presidential topline downballot. DeSantis looks set to pick up a decently sized chunk of Biden's 2020 voters, while losing few if any of Trump's voters.
Who are these Biden voters who just rejected Trump but who won’t reject trump 2.0? There can’t be that many, but I’ll give you the turnout factor.
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« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2021, 10:40:37 PM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Florida is a state where Republicans outperform the presidential topline downballot. DeSantis looks set to pick up a decently sized chunk of Biden's 2020 voters, while losing few if any of Trump's voters.
Who are these Biden voters who just rejected Trump but who won’t reject trump 2.0? There can’t be that many, but I’ll give you the turnout factor.

The people who liked the policies of Trump but were turned off by his personality.
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« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2021, 06:02:10 AM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Florida is a state where Republicans outperform the presidential topline downballot. DeSantis looks set to pick up a decently sized chunk of Biden's 2020 voters, while losing few if any of Trump's voters.
Who are these Biden voters who just rejected Trump but who won’t reject trump 2.0? There can’t be that many, but I’ll give you the turnout factor.

Polls show that DeSantis is pretty popular in Florida. Besides, Florida Hispanics are trending rapidly to the right thanks to Rick Scott. I'd be surprised if DeSantis wins by less than 10, let alone loses.
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« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2021, 09:20:02 AM »
« Edited: August 02, 2021, 09:24:54 AM by TodayJunior »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Florida is a state where Republicans outperform the presidential topline downballot. DeSantis looks set to pick up a decently sized chunk of Biden's 2020 voters, while losing few if any of Trump's voters.
Who are these Biden voters who just rejected Trump but who won’t reject trump 2.0? There can’t be that many, but I’ll give you the turnout factor.

Polls show that DeSantis is pretty popular in Florida. Besides, Florida Hispanics are trending rapidly to the right thanks to Rick Scott. I'd be surprised if DeSantis wins by less than 10, let alone loses.

I do stand corrected for now (2022) on Ron (60/52 on economy/covid, the latter of which is shameful), however far away we are from Nov-22. This is the latest data I could find. However, if any other Republican is the 2024 nominee, there is a strong chance Florida will vote for Joe Biden.


https://www.usf.edu/news/2021/university-of-south-florida-researchers-statewide-public-opinion-survey-on-covid-19-biden-desantis-approval-ratings.aspx
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« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2021, 11:47:52 AM »

I don't think Rubio or DeSantis will win by double digits (although it can't be entirely ruled out), but a high single-digit victory (between ~5-9%) is the most plausible outcome at this point.
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« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2021, 01:23:06 PM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Rubio's expected to outperform DeSantis anyways. By how much is the question.

I still expect both of them to win by over 5%, Rubio by closer to 10 and DeSantis by closer to 5 or somewhere in the middle.

Something tells me Rubio will lose in the primaries
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« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2021, 01:29:27 PM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Rubio's expected to outperform DeSantis anyways. By how much is the question.

I still expect both of them to win by over 5%, Rubio by closer to 10 and DeSantis by closer to 5 or somewhere in the middle.

Something tells me Rubio will lose in the primaries

To who?
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« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2021, 01:41:13 PM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Rubio's expected to outperform DeSantis anyways. By how much is the question.

I still expect both of them to win by over 5%, Rubio by closer to 10 and DeSantis by closer to 5 or somewhere in the middle.

Something tells me Rubio will lose in the primaries

To who?

I'd say any Floridian anti-establishment Trumpy Republican runs against Rubio in the primaries, that guy will win.
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« Reply #61 on: August 02, 2021, 02:09:43 PM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Rubio's expected to outperform DeSantis anyways. By how much is the question.

I still expect both of them to win by over 5%, Rubio by closer to 10 and DeSantis by closer to 5 or somewhere in the middle.

Something tells me Rubio will lose in the primaries

To who?

I'd say any Floridian anti-establishment Trumpy Republican runs against Rubio in the primaries, that guy will win.

Doubt it. Trump's already endorsed Rubio anyways, and I think he's a popular enough senator among his constituents to hold on.
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« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2021, 06:54:44 PM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Rubio's expected to outperform DeSantis anyways. By how much is the question.

I still expect both of them to win by over 5%, Rubio by closer to 10 and DeSantis by closer to 5 or somewhere in the middle.

Something tells me Rubio will lose in the primaries

To who?

I'd say any Floridian anti-establishment Trumpy Republican runs against Rubio in the primaries, that guy will win.

I don't think so. Rubio is popular in Florida, especially with Hispanics, and he has Trump's endorsement. Rubio ingratiated himself with Trump since the presidential primaries, and it's paid off for him. I don't think he's in any jeopardy whatsoever, either in the primary or the general.
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« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2021, 06:57:10 PM »
« Edited: August 02, 2021, 07:00:20 PM by Roll Roons »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Rubio's expected to outperform DeSantis anyways. By how much is the question.

I still expect both of them to win by over 5%, Rubio by closer to 10 and DeSantis by closer to 5 or somewhere in the middle.

Something tells me Rubio will lose in the primaries

To who?

I'd say any Floridian anti-establishment Trumpy Republican runs against Rubio in the primaries, that guy will win.

Doubt it. Trump's already endorsed Rubio anyways, and I think he's a popular enough senator among his constituents to hold on.

Not only did Rubio get Trump's endorsement, but people seem to be underestimating how hard it would be to primary a well-known incumbent Senator in a huge and expensive state like Florida.
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« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2021, 07:26:51 PM »

Am I the only optimist who thinks DeSantis can lose re-election next year? Split ticketing does happen here. See 2016. Rubio ran way ahead of trump.

Rubio's expected to outperform DeSantis anyways. By how much is the question.

I still expect both of them to win by over 5%, Rubio by closer to 10 and DeSantis by closer to 5 or somewhere in the middle.

Something tells me Rubio will lose in the primaries

This is as likely as Texas going blue in 2024
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« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2021, 03:08:20 AM »

As awful as the Florida electorate is, I think you all are writing this race off too soon.  Florida is still a pretty close state even if Republicans have a slight advantage.  The way covid is trending, Florida could become an absolute nightmare.  And DeSantis has left himself little room to adapt politically on this topic.  He's gone full moron and said no masks, no mandates, no shutdowns, nothing, ever no matter what.  We'll see how this turns out...
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« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2021, 08:17:36 PM »

Death by DeSantis
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« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2021, 09:59:44 PM »

DeSantis was declared dead politically after last summer. At the same time, they were praising Cuomo and giving him Emmys. So... why exactly should I believe this now?
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« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2021, 11:16:31 PM »

DeSantis was declared dead politically after last summer. At the same time, they were praising Cuomo and giving him Emmys. So... why exactly should I believe this now?

Some people here have memories comparable to goldfishes.

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« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2021, 11:17:08 PM »

Also, if Trump could win by 3-4 points in Florida during the peak of the pandemic in 2020, DeSantis is winning by at least 5 points no matter what the situation is in 2022.
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« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2021, 11:41:29 PM »

DeSantis was declared dead politically after last summer. At the same time, they were praising Cuomo and giving him Emmys. So... why exactly should I believe this now?

Andrew Cuomo now is politically dead. President Biden has urged him to resign. We liberals do not defend our rogues as right-wing authoritarian types defend theirs. If sporadic accusations without corroboration can be shrugged off as "smoke", a large number that have corroboration is a four-alarm fire. See also Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Cosby. These people get away with huge numbers of transgressions and believe themselves charmed due to some characteristic of their personality and then get caught.   

Some other Republican Governors with untarnished reputations as conservatives (Holcomb in Indiana and DeWine in Ohio) did the right thing and ordered the shut-down of high-risk activities during the first wave of the COVID-19 assault on America. As a Democratic hack I endorse their re-election for that because doing right when such is a difficult choice and one does so for honorable reasons should get one re-elected. Human life must come before ideology, which explains why anyone with any common sense despises such ideologues as fascists and Commies who put some ideal above human life. This also applies to people with no obvious ideology such as Ba'athists, Shih Huang Di, Genghis Khan, Leopold II, or Idi Amin.   

 
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« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2021, 01:13:10 AM »

Let's all know that DeSantis and Rubio don't have 60/40% Approvals like the Chamber of Commerce showed us, his polls are bad enough for him to lose to Charlie Crist
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« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2021, 02:34:20 PM »

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Florida’s seven-day average of new cases was 17,756 as of Aug. 3, a 700 percent increase over the seven-day average of 2,195 on July 3. The state now also leads the nation in per capita hospitalizations for COVID-19, with 12,408 people hospitalized as of Wednesday, according to data reported by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
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« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2021, 04:00:56 PM »

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Florida’s seven-day average of new cases was 17,756 as of Aug. 3, a 700 percent increase over the seven-day average of 2,195 on July 3. The state now also leads the nation in per capita hospitalizations for COVID-19, with 12,408 people hospitalized as of Wednesday, according to data reported by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

"How Ron DeSantis won the pandemic"
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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2021, 04:38:35 PM »

DeSantis is overrated. He would struggle with WWC in the Midwest. Trump or Hawley are the best potential nominees.
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