SR 106-01: Property Rights Amendment (Sent to Regions)

[Pericles]

Aye

[S019]

Aye

[Dr. MB]

Aye

[Joseph Cao]

This passes 11-1-0-6 (MB voted too late).

[Sestak]

The Senate, whenever two thirds of its membership shall deem it necessary, shall have power to propose amendments to this Constitution...

May want to reconsider not counting the MB vote; you don't have passage without it.

[Joseph Cao]

The Senate, whenever two thirds of its membership shall deem it necessary, shall have power to propose amendments to this Constitution...

May want to reconsider not counting the MB vote; you don't have passage without it.

Ah shoot, you're right.

With the MB vote we have 12-1-0-5. Ishan, can you please certify this?

[Joseph Cao]

[sad foghorn noise]

AN AMENDMENT
to the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia

Be it enacted by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia:

Section 1 (Title)
i. The title of this Amendment shall be the “Property Rights Amendment.”

Section 2 (Property Rights Amendment)
i. Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution is hereby amended:

No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Passed 12-1-0-5 in the Atlasian Senate assembled,


Joseph Cao, president pro tempore

[FrancoAgo]

If MB voted too late this is illegal

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

Can’t Cao temporarily suspend the rules as ppt? I think that makes things fine

[FrancoAgo]

Can’t Cao temporarily suspend the rules as ppt? I think that makes things fine

out of the game

oh i supposed that the fiction state was a "stato di diritto" i'm not sure of english translation could be rule of law

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Might as well suspend the rules. Otherwise this will just go to a vote again and pass anyway.

[Joseph Cao]

If MB voted too late this is illegal

First, yes, the PPT has the discretion to do this unilaterally.

Second, a feature of just about every vote this session has been vast swathes of the Senate missing 72-hour voting windows and Ishan not being around to care, and I’m not about to make this session even more of a black mark on Congress as a whole and retroactively throw out the stuff we did manage to pass.

Third, unlike Ishan, I am happy to be perfectly clear about when these decisions to extend vote windows, count late votes, and so on are made out in public as I did when Sestak raised the issue, and you and any other Senator may feel free to challenge the decisions if you so desire. That is also part of the rules, after all.

Thanks for the feedback!

[FrancoAgo]

If MB voted too late this is illegal

First, yes, the PPT has the discretion to do this unilaterally.

Second, a feature of just about every vote this session has been vast swathes of the Senate missing 72-hour voting windows and Ishan not being around to care, and I’m not about to make this session even more of a black mark on Congress as a whole and retroactively throw out the stuff we did manage to pass.

Third, unlike Ishan, I am happy to be perfectly clear about when these decisions to extend vote windows, count late votes, and so on are made out in public as I did when Sestak raised the issue, and you and any other Senator may feel free to challenge the decisions if you so desire. That is also part of the rules, after all.

Thanks for the feedback!

where i find the senate rules?

[Joseph Cao]

If MB voted too late this is illegal

First, yes, the PPT has the discretion to do this unilaterally.

Second, a feature of just about every vote this session has been vast swathes of the Senate missing 72-hour voting windows and Ishan not being around to care, and I’m not about to make this session even more of a black mark on Congress as a whole and retroactively throw out the stuff we did manage to pass.

Third, unlike Ishan, I am happy to be perfectly clear about when these decisions to extend vote windows, count late votes, and so on are made out in public as I did when Sestak raised the issue, and you and any other Senator may feel free to challenge the decisions if you so desire. That is also part of the rules, after all.

Thanks for the feedback!

where i find the senate rules?

Here they are.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I extended votes all the time in my eternities as PPT and speaker.

[FrancoAgo]

I extended votes all the time in my eternities as PPT and speaker.

i've read the rules but i don't find where the PPT can extend votes, only where you can shorting
ok i don't speak english, but some help like the article #

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I extended votes all the time in my eternities as PPT and speaker.

i've read the rules but i don't find where the PPT can extend votes, only where you can shorting
ok i don't speak english, but some help like the article #

It functions as a rule suspension:

   Article 10: Rules Disputes
1.) The Senate may elect to suspend any section of these rules at any time with the consent of two-thirds of sitting Senators.

2.) The presiding officer may unilaterally suspend any section of these rules at any time, unless another Senator objects. If a Senator objects, suspending the rules shall require the consent of two-thirds of sitting Senators.

So if someone were to object to the PPT extending the vote or waiving time requirements within 24 hours of him doing so, a vote would need to be started that requires 2/3rds. Since this happens so frequently, since members are so lazy, the overt calling of 24 hours has ceased to occur, but it functions the same way.

Basically the PPT can do whatever he wants rules wise assuming no one objects within 24 hours. Of course this is still limited by the constitution.

[FrancoAgo]

this rules are insane

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

this rules are insane

It's not the rules it's the need to have to manipulate the rules to work around a disengaged and lazy membership.

You always have rule override provision even in real life. Likewise for unanimous consent as a bypass of spending the time to vote on everything. These provisions are standard practice and have existed for years.

What has not existed for years is the "arms length legislating" that arguably began in 2017 but got much worse in the discord era.

We also had a break down in leadership in this case and a resulting decline in attempts to communicate the need to get out and vote.

The constitution requires 2/3rds of the whole membership and that was obtained as far as the constitution is concerned

As for how that was obtained is an internal decision as per the constitution giving us exclusive rights to make our own rules.

Now what I would suggest is going back to overtly calling for objections as part of a rule suspension to extend votes when this happens.

[FrancoAgo]

it's not my work explain to you because that rule is insane
but this explain something on the americans (blue avatar) and the democracy

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

it's not my work explain to you because that rule is insane
but this explain something on the americans (blue avatar) and the democracy

I can assure you nothing this chamber happens without the support of the majority and at the same time where votes do not occur it is to save time, not to suppress democracy. We don't vote on every amendment for instance.

[FrancoAgo]

it's not my work explain to you because that rule is insane
but this explain something on the americans (blue avatar) and the democracy

I can assure you nothing this chamber happens without the support of the majority and at the same time where votes do not occur it is to save time, not to suppress democracy. We don't vote on every amendment for instance.

yes, again you confirm my opinion

[Lincoln Republican]

Yes