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« on: July 12, 2021, 01:53:52 PM »
« edited: November 02, 2021, 09:01:31 AM by Alex »

Legislative elections will be held in Argentina on November 14.
The election is held in "two" rounds: the PASO (September 12) and the actual election

In he PASO (Simultaneous and mandatory open primaries) all parties run primary elections in a single simultaneous election. All parties must take part, including both the parties with internal factions and parties with a single candidate list. You vote for one ballot/list for each category. A coalition needs 1.5% of the votes to get to the actual election and wif the coalition has competing ballots they need 15% of the coalition's total votes to get some representation in the final ballot


People will be voting for roughly half of the Diputados of each province and a third of the Senate

Deputies are voted by proportional representation using the D'Hondt method in a closed list with a 3% threshold, with each Province being their own at-large proportional-voting multi-person constituency

Senators from one province are all elected at the same time and the allocation is: 2 for the largest coalition and 1 for the second largest




The parties have 2 more days, until July 14, to decide the official confirmation of the coalitions and until the 24th to chose the candidates


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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2021, 02:12:15 PM »
« Edited: July 14, 2021, 12:01:38 AM by Alex »

As has been tradition since 2015, the main contestants will be the kirchnerista Frente de Todos and Juntos por el Cambio, the coalition between Pro, the center right party of former president Mauricio Macri, and the centenarian vaguely center left to center right UCR , with some local participation by the non-kirchnerista Peronista parties, including many regional parties with sting presence in their own provinces (like in the case of Córdoba, Neuquén and Rio Negro), the Partido Socialista likely running on their own (or with some minor allies) in Santa Fe,
the remains of Lavagna's Consenso Federal , and a few libertarian and fiscally conservative and socially reactionary coalitions, as well as the leftist FIT that may get one or two seats in some of the larger provinces
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2021, 02:53:33 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2021, 08:10:05 AM by Alex »

In Buenos Aires Province (currently: FDT+allies 36JxC 28, CF+Randazzo 4, FIT:3)
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- Frente de Todos will run under a united ballot, with no candidates known so far, as they don't have many particularly popular or well known names for this election

- there will be a primary between up-to-4 internal lists within Juntos por el Cambio

one led by Diego Santilli (Pro)(the current deputy mayor of Buenos Aires City) which has been endorsed by the former governor Maria Eugenia Vidal (Pro)and the mayor of Buenos Aires, Horacio Rodríguez Larreta (Pro)

The Unión Cívica Radical list led by Facundo Manes, a neuroscientist and relatively recent newcomer to the world of politics

Gustavo Posse (UCR), the mayor of the  suburban San Isidro, the wealthiest county in the Province, since 1999, in an alliance with Martin Lusteau, senator for Buenos Aires City and one of the most progressive voices within JxC

Jorge Macri (Pro), cousin of former president Mauricio Macri and mayor of Vicente Lopez, another county in the first ring of BA's northern suburbs, who is still unsure about what to do and may get into an alliance with Manes update: Jorge Macri officially terminated his campaign


-Vamos con Vos: Florencio Randazzo, former minister of the Interior of Cristina Kirchner, will run in an alliance with the corpse of Consenso Federal

-Frente de Izquierda y de los Trabajadores, the coalition between several small troskyist parties

-up to 5 libertarian and socially reactionary/fiscally conservative coalition

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2021, 04:17:41 PM »
« Edited: July 14, 2021, 12:26:02 AM by Alex »

In Buenos Aires City (JxC 18, FdT  7)
-There will be a primary between 2 lists within JxC

The main one supported by almost every major party within JxC and led by Maria Eugenia Vidal (Pro) former governor of Buenos Aires Province (2015-2019) and seconded by Martin Tetaz of the UCR

Republicanos Unidos, led by Ricardo Lopez Murphy, who got 3rd place in the 2003 presidential elections and was  of Macri' earliest supporters, in one the many fiscally conservative/kinda libertarian coalitions
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2021, 06:04:56 AM »
« Edited: July 13, 2021, 06:30:54 AM by Alex »

I should've probably starters with some context

The economy, as has been a tradition for almost all of the last decade, has been performing poorly to say the least, 45% live under the poverty line, the annual inflation rate is close to 50%, the unemployment rate is at 10%, the progress of the exchange rates is still a complete mystery, etc

Alberto Fernández's honeymoon period didn't last long, as the situation regarding Covid worsened and it became clear that the government didn't really have any useful strategy and especially after a corruption scandal that meant the replacement of the useless, and purely political, Health minister Gines Gonzalez Garcia and his replacement with her second on command. Alberto has had negative points in most  approval polls since the start of 2020, and the polls on the handling of the epidemic have also got awful results for the government

The situation regarding Covid is still pretty attrocious, with 15,000 average daily cases after a peak of 35,000 daily cases in the later day of May 2021

After the government realized that they couldn't do much on the pandemic or the economy, they tried to attack the opposition which didn't have the expected results as it ended up strengthening the moderate faction of Juntos por el Cambio, who had tried to open a dialogue with the government during the early days of the epidemic. After that failure, a lot of the government's work has been spent on personal conflicts between the national cabinet's members
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2021, 07:04:29 AM »

Thanks for that!  Couple of questions.

How would you rate JxC's chances of capturing each house of the legislature?
What has happened to the Menem/Massa current within Peronism?
Are there any potential presidential contenders running that we should keep an eye on?
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2021, 09:07:48 AM »
« Edited: July 13, 2021, 10:49:31 AM by Alex »

Thanks for that!  Couple of questions.

How would you rate JxC's chances of capturing each house of the legislature?
What has happened to the Menem/Massa current within Peronism?
Are there any potential presidential contenders running that we should keep an eye on?

I couldnt answet you the first one right now as i havent really checked
the polls or fone the math in any detail other than checking the basics for Buenos Aires Province so far

Menem and Massa haven't been in the same current for a long time. While they both centered on a populist return to stability that's where the similarities end, Massa was a lot more focused on a (relatively soft) hard on crime policy with social democratic elements, while Menem, during the 90s and earlier half of the 2000s was focused almost exclusively on fiscal conservatism (and his own personal profit)

The remains of the Peronismo Federal that was allied with Lavagna, and that stayed outside of the 2 main alliances, are getting close to former  Minister of the Interior Florencio Randazzo who is trying to get one or two seats in Buenos Aires Province, but they have a very weak team in other provinces like BA City, where they are apparently running Julio Bárbaro, who is the local version of that weird guy that no one knows much about his current job other than being on news shows a lot, in his case as a professional peronista.

The stronger part of that current, if you can even call it that by nowadays, are the  regional non-kirchnerista/FdT parties like Union or Córdoba and Movimiento Nacional Neuquino, which flip flop between being soft opposition and pro-govt depending on how much they can profit from it

Horacio Rodríguez Larreta (Pro), current mayor of Buenos Aires and leader of the more moderate faction, ie pro-dialogue with kirchnerism and independents, is clearly running for the presidency as he's term-limited, other contenders within JxC may be the governor of Jujuy Gerardo Morales, and Macro's Security Minister and leader of the hardcore (eagles) faction of Pro, Patricia Bullrich

As for the Frente de Todos their strongest candidate for 2023 is still Alberto, as Cristina hasn't done many favors in changing people's opinions about her and there aren't many particularly strong FdT governors or cabinet members
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2021, 03:24:12 PM »

In Buenos Aires Province:
- Frente de Todos will run under a united ballot, with no candidates known so far, as they don't have many particularly popular or well known names for this election

What can you say about the governor of Buenos Aires province, the magnificent Axel Kiciloff? Is he seeking reelection?

So far, I found Forbes magazine is in love with this "pseudo-marxist"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2021/07/01/axel-kicillof-the-pseudo-marxist-taking-over-argentina/

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The governor is the ideal political successor to Cristina, along with the former president’s son Máximo. He was born and raised politically by CFK, acting as her Economy minister, then main swordsman of the opposition in Congress during the Macri years, and now in the all-important Buenos Aires Province, where the largest electoral bounty is located. He’s rash, aggressive, and combative. He’s young and handsome, winning himself the nickname of “Kici-love" (...)

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2021, 05:24:07 PM »

In Buenos Aires Province:
- Frente de Todos will run under a united ballot, with no candidates known so far, as they don't have many particularly popular or well known names for this election

What can you say about the governor of Buenos Aires province, the magnificent Axel Kiciloff? Is he seeking reelection?

So far, I found Forbes magazine is in love with this "pseudo-marxist"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2021/07/01/axel-kicillof-the-pseudo-marxist-taking-over-argentina/

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The governor is the ideal political successor to Cristina, along with the former president’s son Máximo. He was born and raised politically by CFK, acting as her Economy minister, then main swordsman of the opposition in Congress during the Macri years, and now in the all-important Buenos Aires Province, where the largest electoral bounty is located. He’s rash, aggressive, and combative. He’s young and handsome, winning himself the nickname of “Kici-love" (...)



He has a reputation for not being particularly smart and getting into stupid conflicts for no specific reason. He seems to be trying to get the presidential nomination in 2023, but I honestly don't see him getting particularly close to that, if he can't he'll likely go for the re-election. Máximo is a pretty bad candidate for similar reasons, and he isn't particularly well liked among any demographic or political sector
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2021, 12:27:05 AM »

Given how bad the last 15-20 years for the UCR, what sort of path forward do figures in the party see? Are there any who want to break with Cambio?

What is Roberto Lavagna's ideology exactly given his coalition draws together both Socialists and certain other non-Peronist leftists as well as Dissident Peronists?
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2021, 01:04:08 AM »
« Edited: July 15, 2021, 01:09:48 AM by Lustration2021 »

Minor updates on the situation in PBA and CABA.

In PBA Espert, Cynthia Hotton and José Gómez Centurión will run separately. In CABA Milei will run independently endorsed by both Espert and Centurión while López Murphy's slate for the JxC primary has been revealed and it has...a bunch of Radicals. Bit of a weird choice if the goal is to attract Bullrich supporting hawks or libertarians but I guess we'll see how it pays off.

Full slates will be revealed in a week, 07/24. There's also some ambiguity about which parties are legally qualified to run candidates that'll be resolved in legal cases over the next few months.

On that note there was some drama where the CABA branch of UCeDé was taken over by a city government employee who tried to endorse JxC (specifically López Murphy) and thereby deprive Milei of the endorsement of a "national party" that you need to run in the elections. He then held an official party meeting in a tiny room and prevented actual members from entering. Unfortunately for him the tiny meeting didn't meet quorum and control of the party was legally transferred out of his hands. A very strange situation
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2021, 04:41:56 PM »

Given how bad the last 15-20 years for the UCR, what sort of path forward do figures in the party see? Are there any who want to break with Cambio?

The plan seems to be to enlarge JxC by including other opposition forces like the socialist party, Margarita Stolbizer's GEN, dissident peronists, liberals (the López Murphy type, not the "twitter crowd" of Milei and Espert), the small but growing movement of organized evangelicals, etc.; basically to create a broad antikirchnerist front, and then, by pressure as the largest component or by primary competition, become the leaders of said opposition front.
And yes, there are some that advocate the breakeup of the coalition, but these are marginal voices without any influence, like Ricardo Alfonsín, who's still affiliated but has esentially become a kirchnerist now, he'll probably follow other "radicales K" and leave the party or get expelled.

What is Roberto Lavagna's ideology exactly given his coalition draws together both Socialists and certain other non-Peronist leftists as well as Dissident Peronists?

Moderate peronism, i think? At least that's how he's usually identified as.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2021, 06:13:14 AM »
« Edited: July 25, 2021, 06:26:19 AM by Lustration2021 »

Lists have been presented. There are a ton of regional parties that I can't be bothered to explain so for simplicity I've tried to roughly colour code based on ostensible ideology. These are:

Teal: Frente de Todos, the center-left Peronist party of current president Alberto Fernández.

Pink: Kirchnerist ie. Peronist and leftist, associated with the former president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (typically referred to by her initials, CFK). Typically part of the FdT lists except where noted otherwise.

Green: Dissident/independent Peronists, ranging anywhere from center left to center right. Previously ran nationally as "Federal Peronists" but at this point have been reduced to various disconnected lists, most notably Florencio Randazzo running in PBA. Still powerful in several provinces though.

Maroon: Frente de Izquierda Unidad or FIT, the united front of socialists. Fairly well established in several provinces and could benefit from enough protest votes to win a few seats. Like far left fronts across the world, notoriously prone to pointless splitting over doctrinal differences, personality conflicts and sheer ego.

Brown: Socialist splitters from the aforementioned front. Going into more detail would require more colours than I can use but suffice to say that they almost certainly won't actually win any seats but they could well cost FIT seats.

Orange: Juntos, the primary opposition coalition and party of former president Mauricio Macri. Mostly defined by being anti-Peronist (except the Republican Peronists, lol). Formerly known as Juntos por el Cambio but they've dropped the change. Three largest constituent parties are:

Yellow: Propuesta Republicana or PRO, the center to center-right party of Macri. Contains both hardline anti-government right wingers like former security minister Patricia Bullrich as well as moderates like CABA Chief Larreta. At the moment the latter seems to be in ascendance and has had more control over list formation. Relatively new.

Red: Unión Cívica Radical or UCR, the center to left party composing the traditional opposition to Peronism across the country. Has a very strong base of support (much like the Peronists). Old as dirt.

Beige: Coalición Cívica or CC, the centrist party created by dissatisfied ex-UCR members. Much newer than UCR but older than PRO.

Purple: Partido Libertario, Pibes Libertarios, Avanza Libertad, Frente de la Libertad and various other vehicles cobbled together around right libertarians, most notably JL Espert and Javier Milei. Due to their very recent formation they weren't able to get a national list but like the Federal Peronists will put up independent lists in several of the larger provinces.

Navy: Classical liberals such as the new party of López Murphy, Republicanos Unidos, as well as the husk of UCeDe. In some provinces they run with or within JxC primaries, in others they support other independent lists.

Black: NOS and other nationalist right parties, most notably including the former presidential candidate Juan José Gómez Centurión.

Lime Green: Evangelicals, religious right wingers and social conservative fronts like Amalia Granata's "Unite por la Familia y la Vida" in Santa Fe (confusingly one of many "UNITE/Unite"s) or of Cynthia Hotton in PBA.

Blue: Conservative old right parties and their successors like Partido Autonomista (PA) and Partido Demócrata (PD). Once the dominant parties of Argentine politics, now reduced to a few provinces of influence where they're choosing whether to stick with Juntos, to strike out either alone or to ally with the libertarians and risk it all for a chance at newfound relevance. Older than dirt.

I'll start with CABA and post the rest later (originally I was going to include several provinces but the post got too long)

In CABA there are a total of eight contenders consisting of five coalitions and three lone parties. With 13 seats up for grabs the maximum threshold to win a seat is about 7.7%, though with eliminations it's actually slightly less than that unless every vote goes to a party over the threshold.  Juntos will almost certainly win overwhelmingly and FdT will almost certainly get second place but thanks to proportional seat distribution there's plenty riding on the line. In the likely order they'll end up, they are:

JxC

The main opposition to the Federal government, consisting of two three separate lists:

I - Juntos

1. María Eugenia Vidal
2. Martín Tetaz (UCR)
3. Paula Oliveto (CC)
4. Fernando Iglesias (Pro)
5. Carla Carrizo (UCR)
6. Fernando Sánchez (CC)
7. Sabrina Ajmechet
8. Pablo Walter


The primary list, with a clear priority given to doves and Larreta allies (Ajmechet and Walter are both hawks). Almost certain to win, but the question is how much they win both the PASO and actual election by.

II - Republicanos Unidos

1. Ricardo López Murphy
2. Sandra Pitta
3. Gustavo Lázzari
4. María Eugenia Talerico
5. Franco Rinaldi
6. Gabriela Malerba
7. Jorge Kogan
8. Constanza Mazzina


The secondary list designed to reduce leaking liberal, conservative and hawkish votes to Milei. However most of the list other than López Murphy himself isn't particularly coherent ideologically. On the one hand if they don't make the threshold for the PASO then many of those votes might not show up for Vidal in the general, but on the other it would be embarrassing if Vidal was forced into anything approaching a close race when Macri and Bullrich bowed out for her.

III - Adelante Ciudad

1. Adolfo Rubinstein
2. Mónica Marquina
3. Facundo Suárez Lastra
4. Ana Lía Etchegaray
5. Martín Scotto
6. Ivana González
7. Galo Soler Illia


A list slapped together at the literal last minute (even more than RU) by various dissatisfied Radicals. At least they're internally consistent, but how well they'll do in the PASO is hard to say.

After the primaries, JxC will need at least 50% of the vote and preferably over 60% to be satisfied, though a strong libertarian performance changes the math a little. If the final results are even close in CABA then it's a very bad night for Juntos.

Frente de Todos

1. Leandro Santoro
2. Gisela Marziotta
3. Carlos Heller
4. Lorena Pokoik
5. Matías Tombolini
6. Cecilia Barros


The sole list of the government (well, opposition in CABA), led by notable legislator and Kirchnerist Leandro Santoro. They won't win unless Juntos is absolutely collapsing and they won't get worse than 2nd unless they absolutely collapse. They'd be very happy to get over 35% and very unhappy to get under 25%, but FdT has a fairly reliable base that should turn out unless the national situation gets really bad and Santoro is reasonably popular among that base.

La Libertad Avanza

1. Javier Milei
2. Victoria Villarroel
3. Nicolás Emma (PL)
4. María Fernanda Araujo (NOS)
5. Gustavo Durini (PL)
6. Alicia Chediak (PL)
7. Guillermo Mac Loughlin (PD)
8. Clara Malbrán (PD)

Milei managed to incorporate most of the notable right wingers of CABA into his front and has the formal endorsements of both Centurión and Hotton. His 2nd, Victoria Villaroel, is an activist for survivors of the Montonero bombings in the 1970s. He also stands to benefit from the relatively weak right wing offerings from JxC. Could plausibly get anywhere from 0 to 2 seats.

FITU (Frente de Izquierda Unidad)

I. PTS

1. Myriam Bregman
2. Alejandrina Barry
3. Mercedes Trimarchi

II. MST

1. Celeste Fierro


The "united left", which wasn't far from gaining a deputy in CABA in 2017 and would be in a good position to get one this time around. Emphasis on would, because somehow the "united socialists" of CABA have ended up split into four separate fronts (and that's with two separate lists in the FITU PASO, more than are running for FdT), with the most notable "splitter" being Luis Zamora and his "Autodeterminación y Libertad" party. As a result, unless the left has a dramatic surge they'll probably miss the cutoff, but it isn't impossible that Bregman (or possibly Zamora) manage to get through.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2021, 11:42:40 AM »

I haven't paid attention to Atgentinian politics for a while and ignore what's going on lately, but anyway I wouldn't say the UCR base of support is comparable to that of the Peronists. The UCR ceased to be competitive in presidential elections since Fernando de la Rúa fled in helicopter from the presidential palace. In fact, the main contenders to the Kirchners in the period between 2003 and 2015 were not UCR candidates - the old party even endorsed the peronist Roberto Lavagna in 2007. I think the UCR has been largely replaced by the PRO as the main non-peronist party, especially in Buenos Aires and the largest urban centres. However, the UCR still retains a base of support in some provinces and these local machines are its main asset within the opposition coalition. Being somewhat remarkable,  by no means that base of power in the provinces threatens peronist hegemony. Currently the UCR has three provincial governors: Gustavo Valdes (Corrientes), Gerardo Morales (Jujuy) and Rodolfo Suárez (Mendoza).

Question: is the old Socialist Party completely disappeared?
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2021, 01:01:10 PM »

I haven't paid attention to Atgentinian politics for a while and ignore what's going on lately, but anyway I wouldn't say the UCR base of support is comparable to that of the Peronists. The UCR ceased to be competitive in presidential elections since Fernando de la Rúa fled in helicopter from the presidential palace. In fact, the main contenders to the Kirchners in the period between 2003 and 2015 were not UCR candidates - the old party even endorsed the peronist Roberto Lavagna in 2007. I think the UCR has been largely replaced by the PRO as the main non-peronist party, especially in Buenos Aires and the largest urban centres. However, the UCR still retains a base of support in some provinces and these local machines are its main asset within the opposition coalition. Being somewhat remarkable,  by no means that base of power in the provinces threatens peronist hegemony. Currently the UCR has three provincial governors: Gustavo Valdes (Corrientes), Gerardo Morales (Jujuy) and Rodolfo Suárez (Mendoza).

Question: is the old Socialist Party completely disappeared?

They seem to be one of the component of what the poster called "Federal Peronism".
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2021, 05:17:02 PM »

I haven't paid attention to Atgentinian politics for a while and ignore what's going on lately, but anyway I wouldn't say the UCR base of support is comparable to that of the Peronists. The UCR ceased to be competitive in presidential elections since Fernando de la Rúa fled in helicopter from the presidential palace. In fact, the main contenders to the Kirchners in the period between 2003 and 2015 were not UCR candidates - the old party even endorsed the peronist Roberto Lavagna in 2007. I think the UCR has been largely replaced by the PRO as the main non-peronist party, especially in Buenos Aires and the largest urban centres. However, the UCR still retains a base of support in some provinces and these local machines are its main asset within the opposition coalition. Being somewhat remarkable,  by no means that base of power in the provinces threatens peronist hegemony. Currently the UCR has three provincial governors: Gustavo Valdes (Corrientes), Gerardo Morales (Jujuy) and Rodolfo Suárez (Mendoza).

Question: is the old Socialist Party completely disappeared?

They seem to be one of the component of what the poster called "Federal Peronism".

Indeed, they're a part of Roberto Lavagna's nominally centrist Consenso Federal, along with:
- Partido Demócrata Cristiano, formerly a fairly important party, supporting both Peronists and non-Peronists, these days not doing much more than obsessing over abortion
- Unión Celeste y Blanco, the personal vehicle of right-winger Francisco de Narváez, an ally of Macri before it was cool
- Libres del Sur, a left-wing party with a strong emphasis on social progressivism, human rights and justice for people killed by the military dictatorship
- Partido Federal, the empty shell of a party formerly led by Francisco Manrique, a far-right coupist navy officer and minister in Alejandro Lanusse's military junta
- Partido Socialista Auténtico, formerly a vehicle for left-wing filmmaker and presidential candidate Pino Solanas
- Partido Tercera Posicón, a personal vehicle for the wife of astoundingly corrupt trade union leader Luís Barrionuevo. Peak Wikipedia infobox moment: their ideology is listed as Third Position vcnjenfvnfjkdkldf
- Cruzada Renovadora, an ideology-free local party in San Juan
- some other jokes, personality cults and wallet inspectors


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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2021, 06:13:03 PM »

I'll  continue Bourbon's good work and cover Santa Fe, imo the most interesting province from an electoral perspective.

Up for grabs in November are 9 seats in the chamber of deputies elected in 2017, and 3 seats in the senate elected in 2015, with the current distribution of those seats being:

- 5 from Jxc
-3 from FdT
-1 from the socialist party

and

-2 senators from the FdT
-1 from JxC

There's a bunch of lists, but only FdT, JxC and the PS will realistically win anything. Also i couldn't find the full lists of deputies, only the first two or three names (not that anyone would care). Now, for September's primaries:

The FdT ended up with two competing lists for both categories, despite the mandate from Buenos Aires to have a single list in all districts. But the infighting of the different tribes of the PJ made this impossible, and two lists will compete. Some backstory to explain what happened.

In 2019, after 12 years out of power, the PJ won Santa Fe's gubernatorial election, thanks to an alliance of the different peronist factions. The winer was Omar Perotti, a former mayor from a town in the rural interior of the province, and his runing mate was Alejandra Rodenas, a former judge known for leading the trial of one the biggest Narco gangs in the city of Rosario.

But the peronist alliance was short lived, within less than a year the relationship between Perotti and one of his 2019 allies, Armando Traferri, soured. Traferri was the leader of the peronist bloc in the provincial senate, and the head of NES (Nuevo Espacio Santafesino), one of the main internal groups of the PJ in Santa Fe. There's many chapters in the Perotti- Traferri saga, i'll jut mention one, the charges presented by prosecutors last year towards Traferri, who's accused of being the leader of an illegal gambling ring with ties to drug traffic. The provincial senator  proclaimed himself innocent and denounced a witch hunt against him, while Perotti declared his full suport towards the investigation. This all lead to the peronist bloc in the provincial senate splitting into pro-Traferri and pro-perotti factions, and the relationship between the governor and the vicegovernor to become rather tense, as Rodenas is a member of NES.

Without NES support, Perotti has had to rely heavily on the other groups within the PJ, mainly the "Corriente Nacional de la Militancia", headed by the Nation's Minister of Defense Agustín Rossi, as well as La Campora, Movimiento Evita, Frente Renovador, etc. It wasn't until a couple months ago that Perotti created his own group "Hacemos Santa Fe", which (by virtue of being backed by the governor himself) quickly grew in size, specially in the rural interior.

Having explained this, the division of the FdT in two list is just another episode of peronist infighting. Perotti wanted to have a single list that would contain all groups, but Rossi (who has long ambitioned to govern the province) decided to present his own list for senators and deputies, and struck a deal with NES to have Rodenas as his running mate in the senate ticket, thus challenging the governor, and positioning himself for a (possible) gubernatorial run in 2023.

Perotti then made a last minute deal with the other factions and presented the list Marcelo Lewandowski (a pro-Perotti provincial senator)- María de los Angeles Sacnun (incumbent national senator) for the senate, and for the chamber of deputies he chose Roberto Mirabella, the other incumbent national senator and one of his closest friends, to head the list of deputies.

The twist in this development is that Perotti might be, out of all the provincial governors, the one closest to Alberto Fernandez, while Rossi is an old and very loyal ally of Cristina Kirchner. But in this election, Alberto suported Rossi's plan, while Perotti ended up joining forces with the vicepresident, as he chose Sacnun, one of Cristina's favourite senators, to be in his list.

I'll cut it here to not make it too long, will make a second post for the rest.
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2021, 07:43:24 PM »
« Edited: July 26, 2021, 06:43:39 AM by Alex »

Buenos Aires Province (PBA for short), its by far the largest province by population of 15.6 million inhabitants, two thirds living in the Gran Buenos Aires metropolitan are, and it's represented by 92 Diputados (FDT+allies 37JxC 28, Vamos 3, FIT:3)

Frente de Todos will run on a single list and without many big  or flashy names on it, due to Alberto and governor Kicillof trying not to lose many national or provincial cabinet members, not having many big candidates that are doing particularly good on the polls, and making deals between the many sectors and smaller parties represented in the incumbent coalition, its main candidates are:
 1 Victoria Tolosa Paz (PJ), councilwoman in La Plata, the provincial capital,
chairwoman of the National Council for the Coordination of Social Policies, and Alberto Fernández's favorite to led the list. She ran for Mayor of La Plata in 2019, but lost the FdT primary by a small margin, she also held a number of relatively minor political posts during several kirchnerista administrations. Shes also married to Pepe Albistur, the media businessman that lends Alberto their apartment in the most expensive neighborhood of Buenos Aires
 2 Daniel Gollán (PJ), epidemiologist and the Province's health minister,.who will remain in this post until the November elections, and former national Health Minister during most of 2015 in the last months of Cristina's second mandate. He was Cristina's pick, against Kicillof's wishes
 3 Marcela Passo (Frente Renovador), an ally of Sergio Massa and former Diputada for Massa's party bet ween 2015 and 2019
 4 Sergio Palazzo, leader of the bank workers' labor union  currently an ally of Cristina
 5 Agustina Propato, provincial senator and wife of the right wing hard-on-crime PBA Security Minister
 6 Leopoldo Moreau (Mov Nacional Alfonsinista), a historical leader of the PBA UCR between the 80s and the early 2000s, he held serval major positions in those years including as Senator, Diputado (for 20 years), President of the lower house, and presidentsl candidate for the UCR in the 2003 elections (2.34% lol) After the incorporation of the UCR into Cambiemos he was formally expelled from his party and he got closer and closer to the kirchenieristas. Hell be renewing his seat which he won in 2017
 7 Vanessa Siley (La Cámpora) also renewing her seat shed the leader of a law clerk labor union, she tried to impeach Supreme Court Justice Rosencratz in a maneuver that was quickly rejected by Alberto
 8 Hugo Yasky (Nuevo Encuentro), and former leader of one the many teacher unions as well as founder and chairman of the CTA, the main alternative trade-union federation, which unlike the larger CGT has been always close to the Kirchners since the years of Néstor K
10 Julio Pereyra (PJ) former mayor of the GBA county of Florencio Varela (1993-2017!), which makes him another one of the Barones del Conurbano, he became a provincial senator after getting his preferred replacement as his successor
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 12 Daniel Arroyo, the current Minister for Social Development (welfare and the biggest loser in this ballot, trading (pretty much against his will) an extremely powerful ministry against a back of the backbench seat
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2021, 09:00:54 PM »
« Edited: July 25, 2021, 10:30:43 PM by philormus »

Part deux

This year marks the end of the alliance between the UCR and the Socialist Party in Santa Fe. Kinda.

Up until now, half of the UCR had supported the Progressive Front (the UCR and PS society that governed the province from 2007 to 2019), while the other half supported JxC, leading to the not at all confusing situation of the party being a member of both alliances at the same time.

This continued until this year, when NEO (Nuevo Espacio Organizado), the largest internal group of the UCR, finally took the decision to abandon the Front and join JxC for national elections. Only one radical faction remains in the progressive front, "Radicales Libres", a small group of radicals that seem to have forgotten theirs is meant to be a centrist, big tent party, and took the whole "progressive" part really seriously, rejecting any alliance with the "conservative right"( i.e, PRO).

Anyways, with JxC enlarged by NEO's entry, and without any leadership of any kind that could force a single list like in previous years, four lists were put forward, each representing a different faction of the coalition.

- The first one is that of Federico Angelini, national deputy and the national vicepresident of the PRO party. He's a candidate for the senate, his runing mate being Amalia Granata, a provincial legislator known mostly for her previous work as a media celebrity and for her staunch anti-abortion activism. The accompanying list of deputies is made mostly of PRO members, but it also includes Walter Ghione, a pastor and leader of UNO, a recently created evangelical party.

-The second list is that of the José Corral (UCR) - Roy López Molina (PRO) tandem. Corral is the former mayor of Santa Fe city, while Lopez Molina is a councilman from Rosario, and the arch-rival of Angelini (The two have been locked in a fight for control of Santa Fe's PRO for a while, wich lead to a breakup of the PRO's bloc in Rosario's city council). The candidates for the senate are Corral- Astrid Hummel (PRO), and for deputies Lopez Molina, followed by Lucila Lehmman of the CC-ARI.

-The third list is the product of Julian Galdeano and Mario Barletta's alliance. Both are radicals, the former a provincial legislator, the later a former mayor of Santa Fe, one of the founders of the Progressive Front back in 2005, and one of the early advocates of the UCR joining Cambiemos in 2017. Barletta is the first candidate for deputy, followed by Germana Figueroa Casas (PRO), the senatorial list meanwhile includes journalist Carolina Losada and Dionisio Scarpin, the mayor of a rural town in the north of the province.

-The fourth list is that of Maximiliano Pullaro, the head of the aforementioned NEO. He's running for the senate with Carolina Piedrabuena (UCR), for the deputies list he chose provincial legislator Gabriel Chumpitaz (PRO).


Meanwhile, the once powerful Progressive Front is going through some rough times. Most of the UCR has abandoned the alliance, meaning it's basically the socialist party and some other small center left groups at this point, and polarization between the two national coalitions has eaten most of their votes. At the same time, their leader and undisputed candidate, former governor Miguel Lifschitz, suddenly died from covid in May, and without anyone powerful enough to outright take his place, two factions have emerged, leading to two list competing in the primaries.

- One puts forward provincial legislator (and Lifschitz widow) Clara García for the senate, and as deputy Mónica Fein, former mayor of Rosario and the national president of the Socialist Party

-The other one is backed by the current mayor of Rosario Pablo Javkin, it includes Rubén Giustiniani (an old socialist figure that had left the Front in 2017 and is back now) and María Eugenia Schmuck (UCR) for the senate race; and for deputies, Fabián Oliver (the head of "Radicales Libres").

Wichever list wins the primary will likely define who get's to lead the Front going forward, Javkin or Fein.

Then there's some other lists competing:

- The Left Front.
- Nuevo Mas, the one leftist party that refuses to join the Left Front.
-Unite, an anti-abortion party (i'm sure they have other positions, but they're known basically for that)
-Primero Santa Fe, an alliance of small parties put togheter by a former radical and a guy who was expelled from the socialist party when he voted against the legalization of abortion in 2018.
-Soberanía Popular, an alliance of local leftist parties.
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2021, 10:04:58 PM »
« Edited: July 25, 2021, 11:07:12 PM by Alex »

 Buenos Aires Province (pt. 2)

Juntos (formerly Juntos por el Cambio [JxC] and Cambiemos) will run two lists on their primary
  - Es Juntos (Pro+Coalición Cívica), with the support of the Pro leadership, a coalition between the different wings in the informal Pro internal dispute and the largely irrelevant CC which got a lot of big seats in exchange
   1 Diego Santilli (Pro)the current deputy mayor of Buenos Aires City, like the mayor Larreta he's one of the leader of the party's moderate wing
   2 Ocaña  (Confianza Pública) (incumbent), she's been a Diputada 4 times with an intermezzo in which she was  director of PAMI (basically the equivalent of Medicare, but a lot more powerful), Health Minister and member of the CABA legislature
  3 Juan Manuel López (CC) Diputado for CABA and  leader of the 14-member CC parliamentary block
  4  Marcela Campagnoli (CC) (inc), most notably the sister of the controversial prosecutor José María Campagnoli
  5  Gerardo Milman (Pro), ally of Patricia Bullrich, the leader of the hawkish faction within Pro and he worked on her team on the Security Ministry
 6 Maria Sotolano (Pro) , Jorge Macri's insertion in the list, councilwoman for the southern (and poorer)GBA suburb of Quilmes
 7Hernán Lombardi (Pro), Media Secretary under Macri, previously culture minister of CABA and national Tourism Ministry under the Alianza government, a member of the hawkish wing
 8 Gabriela Besana (Pro), provincial deputy
 9 Alejandro Finocchiaro (Pro) Education Minister under Macri (2017-2019)
 10 Maria Borrego (CC) , former mayor of the rural county of 25 de Mayo (2009-2015)
 


 - Dar el paso UCR + a bunch of mayors and other politicians unhappy with Santilli being a CABA transplant and not a PBA native + Stolbizer. It should be noted that Manes didn't really have much involvement in which names were selected
  1 Facundo Manes (UCR), a neuroscientist and relatively recent newcomer to the world of politics. So far he's had a very empty speech even by the already low standards of the avg politician
  2 Danya Tavela (UCR) , college professor and deputy dean of UNNOBA, a rural public university. Picked by Lousteau at an attempt to get representatives from the healthcare (Manes) and education sectors in the first places of the ballot
 3 Emilio Monzó (P. del Diálogo) former president of Diputados (2015-2019) and one of the most prominent peronistas within JxC
 4 Margarita Stolbizer (GEN) , the leader and founder of the small progressive party GEN and the newest incorporation into JxC. Diputada for PBA between 1997-2005 and 2009-2017
 5 Fabio Quetglas (UCR) (inc)
 6 Elsa Llenderrozas (UCR), PoliSci UBA professor and an ally of the PBA UCR chairman
 7 Jesús Cariglino (Peronismo Republicano)  first mayor of the suburban county of Malvinas Argentinas (1995-2015), as a "barón del conurbano" (the term used for the entrenched and often corrupt and clientelisc mayors of the GBA) he's been in alliances with pretty much everyone (Duhalde, briefly with Kirchner and Massa, Vidal)
 8 Josefina Mendoza (inc), former president of the Federación Universitaria Argentina (2016-17)
 9 Pablo Juliano foemr leader of the PBA UCR Youth
 10 Maria José Navajas, one of the leaders of Padres Organizados, an NGO supporting returning to physical schools
 11 Walter Carusso(UCR Posse wing), provincial Diputado and Posse's guy on tbe list




 
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2021, 11:58:07 PM »
« Edited: July 26, 2021, 09:12:09 AM by Alex »

Buenos Aires Province (part 3 minor parties)

Vamos con Vos: dissident peronistas and the remains of the Lavagna alliance
 1 Florencio Randazzo (PJ/Vamos), former Interior and Transportation Minister of Cristina Kirchner, his relations with kirchnerismo got worse over the years as Cristina appointed the rather useless Daniel Scioli the only approved presidential candidate within the FPV primaries while Randazzo was trying to establish himself as the coalition's candidate within a primary, and ended up running for Senator for PBA in 2017 getting 5% of the votes This time he's trying to revive the old desarrollismo (developmentalism)ideology, trying to convine elements of market liberalism and interventionism to foment a quick industrialization process, with a pinch of hard on crime talk, and hating both kirchnerismo and Cambiemos at the same time
 2 Carolina Castro, the first woman the 133-year-long history of the (25-member) excecutive committee of the UIA (Argentinean Industrial Union), the largest lobby group for industry employers' interests, as a representative of the auto parts industry, and subsecretary of small and medium businesses during the Macri administration
 3 Gustavo Pulti (Acción Marplatense, local party), former two term mayor (2007-15)  of General Pueyrredón, the most populated county in he province outside of the GBA-La Plata metro area, he had ran the county under a coalition between Acción MP and local FPV, but La Cámpora didn't let him compete in the 2019 FdT primaries , so this time he's running with Randazzo

Avanza Libertad, the libertarian alliance led by Espert, as such the successor to 2019's Frente Despertar,
 1 José Luis Espert, the liberal economist , college professor and frequent pop-political TV show guest, who is looking forward to a performance much stronger than the one he had in the 2019 presidential elections (2.2% of the PASO and slightly under 1.5% in the  actual elections)
 2 Carolina Píparo as a last minute incorporation, she got elected under the Pro banner as a provincial diputada in 2017, and she first got prominence in the media after she was the victim of a particularly gruesome bank robbery in 2010. She was informally expelled from Pro after her husband crashed  someone  over with her car and she tried to bribe him with a pair of shoes
 3 Hugo Bontempo (UCeDE), as the representative of this long forgotten fiscally conservative party
 

Frente de Izquierda, the trotskyist Coalition will run two lists, and as such almost all of its  historical leadership will run here making for a weaker list in CABA
 -PTS+PO: 1 Nicolás del Caño, 2 Romina del Plá, 3 Néstor Pitrola
 -MST Alejandro Bodart and Vilma Ripoll

Lists with 0 chance of getting a Diputado:

These include the 2 different nationalist ultra-conservative (pro-life, transphobic, anti "gender education", anti sex-ed) and fiscally conservative "main" alliances with connections to Evangelical churches
Unión por el Futuro   will run two lists, but the only one that matters (even if very slightly) is that of Juan José Centurión , presidential candidate in 2019 for NOS (2.7% in the PASO, 1.7% in the October elections)
+Valores Cynthia Hotton, NOS vicepresidential candidate in 2019

Partido Republicano Federal/Principios y Valores, led by Guillermo Moreno, the controversial (read: extremely corrupt and with the attitude of a mob boss) kircherista secretary of commerce (2006-2013), since then he's become a perennial candidate and overall weird guy with a show on the sensationalist Crónica TV channel and who's clearly in some sort of informal alliance with some sectors of JxC
Unite: Cinthia Fernández, will try to replicate the strategy of the Amalia Granata campaign in Santa Fe, i.e running as gossip show "personality" / generic media celebrity  under Bonacci's far right party
Two parties that couldn't get into the FIT lists that will ran on two separate ballots
Nuevo MAS: Manuela Castañeira
 •Altamira's Política Obrera

Frente Patriota Alejandro Biondini, residente wannabe neonazi and perennial candidate

Who-are-these-people tier lists
Proyecto Justo Social y Humanista the rump remains of the Partido Socialist Auténtico, outside of Lavagna's movement, and Raul Castells' piquetero movement MIJD
Partido Federal, the empty shell of a party formerly led by Francisco Manrique, a far-right coupist navy officer and minister in Alejandro Lanusse's military junta, that was also another irrelevant member of Lavagna's coalition
Partido Celeste ProVida, yet another very socially conservative anti-abortion list, but this time even more irrelevant
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2021, 07:49:59 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2021, 05:33:51 PM »

This time he's trying to revive the old desarrollismo (developmentalism)ideology, trying to convine elements of market liberalism and interventionism to foment a quick industrialization process, with a pinch of hard on crime talk, and hating both kirchnerismo and Cambiemos at the same time


Bit of a derailment, but I've always found this Argentine political tradition (Frondizi, Rogelio Frigelio, MID etc.) fascinating and a springboard for interesting alternate history scenarios (what if Frondizi hadn't been removed from office etc.). I wonder if they point to East Asian Tiger economies such as South Korea and Taiwan as a model for Argentina.

Also mildly surprised Stolbizer aligned herself with JxC since she strikes me as quite progressive across the board.
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2021, 04:53:35 PM »

Glad to see new high quality posts since the thread came back to life. Since PBA has already been covered I'll move onto the only province to give even less support to FdT than CABA, Córdoba. One of the larger and more politically interesting provinces (in more ways than one), while unfortunately I'm lacking some of the nittier details I'll try to cover the basic details as broadly as I can.

Córdoba has 9 seats up for grabs, meaning the maximum possible threshold to win a seat is just over 11%, though with the number of minor parties that probably won't hit the threshold it could end up being a fair bit lower than that. It also arguably has the wackiest coalitions, but I'll get to that in a bit. While Córdoba overwhelmingly favours JxC in the national legislature, the statewide legislature is dominated by the Federal Peronist party Hacemos Por Córdoba (HxC) of governor Juan Schiaretti. While HxC is also putting forward candidates, in federal elections many of their members run with the JxC list. Anyway, the contenders are, again descending order of likelihood to win seats (prioritizing past performance to avoid my personal biases),

Juntos por el Cambio

The dominant coalition with 11 of 18 members from Córdoba will be running four separate lists. These are:

I. Juntos Por Córdoba

1. Gustavo Santos (UCR)
2. Soledad Carrizo (UCR)
3. Ramón Javier Mestre (UCR)

4. Mariana Ispizua
5. Henry Blas Leis
6. Yanina Moreno Zamanillo
7. Gregorio Hernández Maqueda
8. Yanina Vargas
9. Juan Carlos Gait


II. Cambiando Juntos

Rodrigo de Loredo (UCR)
Laura Rodríguez Machado (PRO)
Héctor Baldassi (PRO)

Gabriela Brower de Koning
Oscar Agost Carreño
Cecilia Roffe
José Bría
Beatriz Arias
César Adbala


III. Alfonsinismo Cordobés

1. Dante Rossi (UCR)
2. Viviana Pomiglio (UCR)
3. Roberto Lucas (UCR)
4. Liliana Pierina Avidano (UCR)
5. Javier Varetto (UCR)
6. Yanina del Valle Pérez (UCR)
7. Sebastián Amadeo Peralta (UCR)
8. Camila Bossio (UCR)
9. Jorge Aguirre (UCR)


IV. Sumar. Vamos Córdoba

1. Laura Sesma (CP)
2. Marco Giraudo
3. Alicia García de Solavagione
4. Daniel Gattás
5. Fiona Cavazzón

6. Adrián “Pepa” Cassati
7. Mónica Loayza
8. Leandro Martínez
9. Yanina Zanella


Of the four lists, the first is the official one, the second has enough notables to have a good chance at making the cut, the third is composed of Alfonsinists and deserve a separate explanation but are basically leftist Radicals and neither they nor the fourth list (whose reason for existence I can't discern) have much chance of making the cut. Much like CABA, they'll be unhappy with anything less than 50%, and for a victory they want something closer to 60%.

Frente de Todos

1.Martín Gill
2.Olga Riutort
3. Pablo Carro
4. Ilda Bustos
5. Natalio Graglia
6. Francisca Matoni
7. Gastón Mazzalay
8. Graciela Brarda
9. Gastón Tomatis


The second largest party in terms of results, though the gap between them and HxC for 2nd is far closer than the enormous gulf separating them from 1st. In a year where the government was enormously popular they might be able to close that gulf but this is not that year, so I wouldn't be surprised if HxC overtakes them considering the difference in popularity between the president and governor. On the plus side, they've always done terribly in Córdoba they've only got 1 deputy at rise. In theory they're united under a single list but a group of dissidents broke off to form their own list with the Alliance of Misfit Parties, Unión Popular Vecinal (more on them later).

Hacemos por Córdoba

1. Natalia de la Sota
2. Ignacio García Aresca
3. Claudia Márquez
4. Sergio Busso
5. Claudia Martínez
6. Gustavo Brendán
7. Cristina Vidal
8. Fabio Guaschino
9.Rosalía Cáceres


The local Federal Peronist party of governor Schiaretti, occupying a place somewhere between both major parties but typically aligning more with JxC on issues not related to Peron. As mentioned above, dominant in local elections but not so dominant in federal elections, though they managed a decent 2nd in 2017. It isn't entirely clear whether the ongoing anti-establishmentarian sentiment will help them by hurting the major parties in their favour or hurt them by boosting smaller parties at their expense.

Frente de Izquierda y de Trabajadores-Unidad

I. PTS

1. Liliana Olivero
2. Santiago Benítez
3. Noel Argarañaz
4. Federico Wagner
5. Noelia Agüero
6. Noé Silbestein
7. Candela Guzmán
8. Ernesto Arce
9. Marcela Martín

II. MST

1. Luciana Echevarría
2. Gastón Vacchiani
3. Virginia Caldera Marsengo
4. Néstor Gea
5. Rocío Vieyra
6. Ítalo Ocaño
7. Franca Cóndori Bazán
8. Pedro Garbi
9. Graciela Taborda

III. PO

1. Soledad Díaz
2. Eduardo Salas
3. Anabel Allochis
4. Jorge Navarro
5. Silvina Vivas
6. Juan Gabriel Ponce
7. Norma Peñaloza
8. Alejandro Roqueiro
9. Daiana Spindola


The united left of Córdoba is far more united than most in the country, which is to say they've only got one splitting party running separately, MAS (and maybe Libres del Sur) while the three main leftist parties, MST, FTS and PO, are running separate internal lists. Córdoba hasn't been a particularly strong province for the left (on a good day their combined lists total 5-6% and on a bad day it's half that) but they conceivably could sneak a deputy through if the stars align.

Encuentro Vecinal Córdoba

1. Aurelio García Elorrio
2. María Amelia Moscoso
3. Gerardo Grosso
4. Paula Ponte
5. Ricky Condori
6. Cande Orellana
7. Agustín Anglada
8. Claudia Argüello
9. Esteban Ancarani


The personal vehicle of local activist Aurelio García Elorrio, a party which takes prioritizing pro-life issues to its logical conclusion, focusing not just on anti-abortion laws or activism but on shelters for pregnant women, promotion of public health and other related issues. Purely by past performance they're the most likely new party besides FIT to make it across the threshold but that isn't particularly likely even at the best of times (in past elections they get around 3-4%) and it doesn't help that NOS chose to run a list with the libertarians rather than with EVC as they did last time around. On that note,

Unión Popular Vecinal

I. Vivienda y Trabajo

1. César Ariel Rodríguez
2. Virginia del Carmen López
3. Héctor Argüello
4. María Alicia Ceballo
5. Héctor Carlos Prieto
6. Victoria Susana Ferreyra
7. Martín Alberto Luján
8. Norma Noemí Heredia
9. Jorge Gonzalo Pedernera


II. Libertarios y NOS

1. Jorge Scala (NOS)
2. Daniela Welner
3. Abelardo Losano
4. María Laura Cesano
5. Sergio Rubén Díaz
6. Katerine Charlotte Carnaghi
7. Germán Pablo Cassinerio
8. María Eugenia Skiliarow
9. Mario Enrique Lamberghini

III. Fraternidad

1. Víctor Taborda
2. Silvia Guzmán
3. Gonzalo Cumplido
4. Natalia de Lourdes Moyano
5. Marcelo Omar Núñez
6. Stella Maris Farias
7. Víctor Lagoria
8. Nuncia Romina Liguori
9. Paulo Ferlauto


IV. Esencia Peronista Salud

1. Miguel Martínez
2. Gloria Irahola Poppe
3. Jorge Isidro Domínguez
4. María Elena Romano
5. Marcelo Berrotaran
6. Yanina Robles
7. Rafael Alejandro Luna
8. Sara Lidia Domínguez
9. Cristian Nahuel Martínez


V. Alianza Federal Lista del Pueblo

1. Ariel Luque
2. Nélida Edith Yermir
3. Pedro Guillermo Alancay
4. Nirley Graciela Ocampo
5. Alejandro Luis Dughetti
6. Marcela Anahí Vallejos
7. Adrián Díaz
8. Melina Durban
9. Sergio Walter Soria


VI. La Libertad Avanza

1. Rubén Peteta
2. María Cristina Lagger
(can't find the rest of their list but they have literally zero chance of making it regardless so whatever)


VII.

1. César Ariel Rodríguez
2. Virginia del Carmen López
3. Héctor Argüello
4. María Alicia Ceballo
5. Héctor Carlos Prieto
6. Victoria Susana Ferreyra
7. Martín Alberto Luján
8. Norma Noemí Heredia
9. Jorge Gonzalo Pedernera


In what may be the single most mercenary move I've ever seen a party pull, the former Federal Peronist Unión Popular Federal decided to allow literally anyone that wasn't able to pull together a party (and to be fair, Argentine bureaucracy is such that forming a party is extremely tedious even if you meet the requirements) to join and run an independent list in the PASO. As a result, the party has SEVEN, yes SEVEN lists covering the entire Argentine political spectrum, featuring an anti-Peronist right list of NOS and libertarians, Kirchnerist left Peronists, two lists of Federal Peronists, a list of dissident Peronists from PJ, a list of Alfonsinists, and a list of classical liberals.

Just about any result of this insane PASO will produce a wacky and discordant final list. I have no idea how well they'll do but it would be hilarious if they somehow managed to get through a Mystery Deputy. It raises interesting questions around strategic voting, though; does the Kirchnerist vote for the final list if his choice is first but the second candidate is from NOS? Good luck as a pollster trying to figure out how to word questions when this monstrosity of a front exists.

Also, Partido Demócrata is running an independent list. Not like they're likely to win anything but they're the only ones I didn't bring up.
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2021, 06:51:46 AM »

Please could somebody explain how the PASO works?  Like will the highest scoring internal list become that alliance's formal list in the general election or would the final list be a mixture of internal lists?
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