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« on: July 09, 2021, 08:49:43 PM »
« edited: July 09, 2021, 08:57:13 PM by JoeSchmoe »



New Republican - A young charismatic candidate from the South (Atlanta area) who retains roughly half of Trump's America First conservative platform (fiscally conservative) while embracing plans to rebuild urban infrastructure (establishing new electric train lines and a sea wall), reform public education, advocates for equal rights under a capitalist system, and development of renewable energies to battle climate change. Proposes plan to redirect and organize spending; reforming the budget to prevent needed programming from going bankrupt. Holds high emphasis and knowledge of the Constitution; able to avoid loopholes in interviews. Centre-right; a correction to other Southern Republicans like Marjorie Taylor-Greene. Maybe more like a younger, more technologically-knowledgeable version of Joe Manchin who focuses on urban communities; an American whose resembles much of the Japan's Liberal Democratic Party (Green). Does not possess the incompetence or meanness of many other Southern Republicans by this point.

Democratic Socialist - Well, we all know what that is by now... Assuming the filibuster hadn't been scrapped and the Supreme Court isn't expanded, the same platform.

What would you have? Maps?
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2021, 12:20:40 PM »
« Edited: July 12, 2021, 12:25:13 PM by CentristRepublican »

The New Republican would be my type of candidate, especially if he supported gun control. This is my map for this scenario:
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2021, 04:27:35 PM »

The New Republican would be my type of candidate, especially if he supported gun control. This is my map for this scenario:


Interesting. I like your take on it. What and where are the closest margins? To me, I thought in places like Georgia, Arizona, Virginia since urban infrastructure improvements catered to minority voters, each of those states would easily snap back to the GOP with this kind of candidate. Only drawback for the New Republican would be the desire to reverse Roe v. Wade. Other than that, it's pretty much centrist to the point where the candidate would then begin to draw in more Moderate Democrats. Places like Cobb and Gwinnett County would easily snap back.
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2021, 08:22:46 PM »


New Republican - A young charismatic candidate from the South (Atlanta area) who retains roughly half of Trump's America First conservative platform (fiscally conservative) while embracing plans to rebuild urban infrastructure (establishing new electric train lines and a sea wall), reform public education, advocates for equal rights under a capitalist system, and development of renewable energies to battle climate change. Proposes plan to redirect and organize spending; reforming the budget to prevent needed programming from going bankrupt. Holds high emphasis and knowledge of the Constitution; able to avoid loopholes in interviews. Centre-right; a correction to other Southern Republicans like Marjorie Taylor-Greene. Maybe more like a younger, more technologically-knowledgeable version of Joe Manchin who focuses on urban communities; an American whose resembles much of the Japan's Liberal Democratic Party (Green). Does not possess the incompetence or meanness of many other Southern Republicans by this point.

None of the bolded policies you cite are actually fiscally conservative, or Trumpian.

You're basically suggesting a candidate that completely departs from the Republican Party of 2021 and its policies in favor of a more Christian Democratic/European center-right direction.

Can parties change a lot in 19 years? I suppose so. Would that platform be very popular in the US? Yes, in all likeliehood. But I don't see a way for the GOP of 2021 to look like that in 2040 without some very dramatic political shifts.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2021, 10:37:24 PM »


New Republican - A young charismatic candidate from the South (Atlanta area) who retains roughly half of Trump's America First conservative platform (fiscally conservative) while embracing plans to rebuild urban infrastructure (establishing new electric train lines and a sea wall), reform public education, advocates for equal rights under a capitalist system, and development of renewable energies to battle climate change. Proposes plan to redirect and organize spending; reforming the budget to prevent needed programming from going bankrupt. Holds high emphasis and knowledge of the Constitution; able to avoid loopholes in interviews. Centre-right; a correction to other Southern Republicans like Marjorie Taylor-Greene. Maybe more like a younger, more technologically-knowledgeable version of Joe Manchin who focuses on urban communities; an American whose resembles much of the Japan's Liberal Democratic Party (Green). Does not possess the incompetence or meanness of many other Southern Republicans by this point.

None of the bolded policies you cite are actually fiscally conservative, or Trumpian.

You're basically suggesting a candidate that completely departs from the Republican Party of 2021 and its policies in favor of a more Christian Democratic/European center-right direction.

Can parties change a lot in 19 years? I suppose so. Would that platform be very popular in the US? Yes, in all likeliehood. But I don't see a way for the GOP of 2021 to look like that in 2040 without some very dramatic political shifts.

dems went from dukakis to clinton......a dramatic shift in 4 years.
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2021, 10:54:16 PM »


New Republican - A young charismatic candidate from the South (Atlanta area) who retains roughly half of Trump's America First conservative platform (fiscally conservative) while embracing plans to rebuild urban infrastructure (establishing new electric train lines and a sea wall), reform public education, advocates for equal rights under a capitalist system, and development of renewable energies to battle climate change. Proposes plan to redirect and organize spending; reforming the budget to prevent needed programming from going bankrupt. Holds high emphasis and knowledge of the Constitution; able to avoid loopholes in interviews. Centre-right; a correction to other Southern Republicans like Marjorie Taylor-Greene. Maybe more like a younger, more technologically-knowledgeable version of Joe Manchin who focuses on urban communities; an American whose resembles much of the Japan's Liberal Democratic Party (Green). Does not possess the incompetence or meanness of many other Southern Republicans by this point.

None of the bolded policies you cite are actually fiscally conservative, or Trumpian.

You're basically suggesting a candidate that completely departs from the Republican Party of 2021 and its policies in favor of a more Christian Democratic/European center-right direction.

Can parties change a lot in 19 years? I suppose so. Would that platform be very popular in the US? Yes, in all likeliehood. But I don't see a way for the GOP of 2021 to look like that in 2040 without some very dramatic political shifts.

dems went from dukakis to clinton......a dramatic shift in 4 years.

The Democratic Party in the late 1980s didn't have billions of dollars in donor money, extremist pressure groups, ratings hungry media influencers and identitarian virtue signaling trapping it in place.
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2021, 11:21:32 PM »

The New Republican would be my type of candidate, especially if he supported gun control. This is my map for this scenario:


What I can see happening is generational change pushing the right more socially libertarian, but that is heavily dependent on how you view the demographic shifts relative to the religious right and whether they will be able to maintain their present political influence.

At the same time, you have the economic conditions pushing a lot of voters more towards the center economically as both the right and the left move towards desiring some level of government action and the traditional areas that promoted budget hawk type politics being overwhelmed by demographic change pushing the GOP out of those places (Southern Suburbs) and more into the hinterlands whose penchant for pork barrel and bringing home the bacon dates back to time immemorial (this is also why protectionism has risen in the GOP).

The problem is that libertarianism doesn't mesh well with communitarianism and finding a way to bridge that gap is very difficulty, especially when you have decades of people being conditioned to view themselves as the end all be all and anyone who disagrees is a traitor that needs to be purged. Throw in this the pressure groups and the money and such forth as well as people who make millions and millions more whose livelihoods are in some ways connected to preserving the right as they have interpreted it as being handed down from Reagan, it becomes very difficult to construct a "new fusionism" that instead of combining Social Conservatism with Economic Libertarianism/Neoliberalism (Reagonomics) instead combines some kind of economically nationalist/communitarian right with social libertarianism.

How do you break it, recombine it, protect it from established forces who have a massive monetary interest in preserving the status quo (from news anchors to consultants, to think tanks) and get it to a point where it is a viable political force that answers the economic needs of the people and comports with their socio-cultural norms, without it being blown up along the way by any number of pitfalls along the way?

Is it doable theoretically? Yes, but it is very difficult without radical reform to how politics is financed and money influences it. After that you need a complete replacement of most of the leading political figures on the right, the destruction of and elimination of the DC think thank and consultancy class, and the replacement with competent, qualified and responsible people who understand this new combination and will be able to fill the void without succumbing to the same corruption and extremism we have now.

In Atlasia for instance, the game has existed without much in the way of an Evangelical Right for years, there is no money in politics and there is no consultancy class/think tank culture. Most of what resembled a real life Republican Party failed to survive the Bush years. What was left was that for a long time you had a libertarian Southern region and some social conservative/economic populist Catholics in the Great Lakes making up the large bulk of the two major right of center parties (The RPP and then later the Federalists), and political reality dictating a greater accommodation towards a big tent, towards accepting moderates and cooperating with each other behind a platform and policies that would be competitive in a set of demographics in game on the national level that probably resembles that of New York IRL. Even then, the Atlasian right is still largely pro-gun and pro-life, though unlike RL, these aren't purge level litmus tests.

Seems the necessary ingredients here are:
1. Overwhelming Left and center left dominance
2. Decline of the current core of the RL Republican Party as a force in politics
3. The removal of monetary influence from politics
4. The destruction of the current party establishment and hangers on
5. Possibly the destruction of the Republican Party itself and replacement with something else
6. The formation of a new fusionism by getting two groups that seem on the rise, to somehow get in the same room and work out a set of agreements and that becomes the new platform.

This takes decades to happen, and you are talking possibly eliminating a 160 year old duopoly and replacing it with another.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2021, 10:12:19 AM »


New Republican - A young charismatic candidate from the South (Atlanta area) who retains roughly half of Trump's America First conservative platform (fiscally conservative) while embracing plans to rebuild urban infrastructure (establishing new electric train lines and a sea wall), reform public education, advocates for equal rights under a capitalist system, and development of renewable energies to battle climate change. Proposes plan to redirect and organize spending; reforming the budget to prevent needed programming from going bankrupt. Holds high emphasis and knowledge of the Constitution; able to avoid loopholes in interviews. Centre-right; a correction to other Southern Republicans like Marjorie Taylor-Greene. Maybe more like a younger, more technologically-knowledgeable version of Joe Manchin who focuses on urban communities; an American whose resembles much of the Japan's Liberal Democratic Party (Green). Does not possess the incompetence or meanness of many other Southern Republicans by this point.

None of the bolded policies you cite are actually fiscally conservative, or Trumpian.

You're basically suggesting a candidate that completely departs from the Republican Party of 2021 and its policies in favor of a more Christian Democratic/European center-right direction.

Can parties change a lot in 19 years? I suppose so. Would that platform be very popular in the US? Yes, in all likeliehood. But I don't see a way for the GOP of 2021 to look like that in 2040 without some very dramatic political shifts.

dems went from dukakis to clinton......a dramatic shift in 4 years.

Not really? Dukkakis was never quite a liberal as Republicans made him out to be. Not to mention he picked Lloyd Bentsen as his running mate, who was perhaps more centrist than either Clinton or Gore. The shift from Dukkakis to Clinton was in many ways a shift in optics for the Democratic party than necessarily in policy.

On the other hand, you could compare how the Democratic party has shifted between 2000 and 2020: that is a very significant ideological change! I wouldn't say it's as dramatic as what you're saying would happen to the GOP between 2020 and 2040, but others may disagree
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