Breyer not retiring

[VBM]

What a selfish prick

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

If he retires in 2022, he wouldn't tell us now.

Yep.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Breyer isn't  dying of cancer, we knew Ginsberg was dying since 2014 and she was holding out hope in 2016 Hillary was gonna get elected and we were gonna have a Secular Crt with Garland

Breyer has no such cancer, and Mcconnell was just putting that out there, that he wouldn't put a judge on Crt if Garland died to generate enthusiasm with his base.

Ginsberg was hospitalized many times before she died, Breyer trips to hospital, zero

[Hermit For Peace]

Young people get so impatient. Chill out.

80s is the new 70s, so he's basically 72. Seems to have all his faculties. And he's healthy.

Where is the respect?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But along with Ginsburg and Breyer they said Crt packing wasn't justified because the Crt should come together, and they did on Obamacare, but the Conservatives stuck together on VR, we need a 7/6, majority, we can win between 51/55 seats and keep the H, should we win 55 seats the Filibuster will be abolished and lowered to 55 and we can get Crt packing done the right way.

That's what this Election is about

[Former Crackhead Mike Lindell]

Kind of hard to force a guy out for being old when both your Speaker and your President, leaders of the party, are the same age.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Young people get so impatient. Chill out.

80s is the new 70s, so he's basically 72. Seems to have all his faculties. And he's healthy.

Where is the respect?

It's not about his age, it's about control of Congress and the country's future. Democrats have a trifecta right now, why risk another McConnell stonewall in the future to get his successor confirmed? He seems blissfully ignorant of the new dynamics of judicial confirmations in our country. Whether he's healthy or not, this really should be part of any Justice nominated by a Democratic President in their calculation of when to retire.

[SnowLabrador]

Democrats should have tried harder to persuade him to retire. He's making the same mistake RBG made.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Democrats should have tried harder to persuade him to retire. He's making the same mistake RBG made.

Ginsberg was hospitalized many times before she died and she had colon càncer apples and oranges, Breyer has zero hospitalizations, who so you think is persuading him to stay on, Roberts, he is a maverick and he likes all his members, that's why he says don't Crt pack, they are a family

[brucejoel99]

Democrats should have tried harder to persuade him to retire. He's making the same mistake RBG made.

The likes of Demand Justice's obnoxious campaign to do so were actually a hindrance to achieving their stated goal, if the comments on the matter which have been granted to the media by those close to Breyer - incl. former clerks - are true.

[Hermit For Peace]

Young people get so impatient. Chill out.

80s is the new 70s, so he's basically 72. Seems to have all his faculties. And he's healthy.

Where is the respect?

It's not about his age, it's about control of Congress and the country's future. Democrats have a trifecta right now, why risk another McConnell stonewall in the future to get his successor confirmed? He seems blissfully ignorant of the new dynamics of judicial confirmations in our country. Whether he's healthy or not, this really should be part of any Justice nominated by a Democratic President in their calculation of when to retire.

Well, the guy deserves to retire when he wants to retire. For him, he probably feels that he deserves respect for all the good service he has provided for the country. You and those who think like you are playing politics with someone's life here. Maybe he's selfish, maybe he's not. Maybe he feels he has some good years left to offer.

Maybe our strategy should be to get rid of McConnell. How about that? Or to change the rules of the Supreme Court and who can serve and for how long.

The Constitution states that Justices "shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour." This means that the Justices hold office as long as they choose and can only be removed from office by impeachment.

[ibagli]

Democrats should have tried harder to persuade him to retire. He's making the same mistake RBG made.

The likes of Demand Justice's obnoxious campaign to do so were actually a hindrance to achieving their stated goal, if the comments on the matter which have been granted to the media by those close to Breyer - incl. former clerks - are true.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1410312310980321286

[brucejoel99]

Democrats should have tried harder to persuade him to retire. He's making the same mistake RBG made.

The likes of Demand Justice's obnoxious campaign to do so were actually a hindrance to achieving their stated goal, if the comments on the matter which have been granted to the media by those close to Breyer - incl. former clerks - are true.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1410312310980321286

Imagine unironically agreeing with Matt Yglesias. In any event, no, it's not at all unreasonable to understand that the guy whose #1 stated desire in recent years has been to not do anything that adds to the public's perception of a politicized Court isn't apparently all that keen on bowing down to the demands of those who are explicitly demanding that he do something for a wholly partisan political purpose. Anybody who thinks that such demands would've ever actually served to have convinced Justice Breyer to accede to such demands are mistaking him for a brainless - let alone hypocritical - idiot. If one understands that his goal is to make the Court &, by extension, the justices thereof seem less partisan & politicized than the public already believes them to be, then how anybody could think that demanding his accession to such a steamrolling partisan affair as the actions of Demand Justice & the like have appeared to many to be is beyond me.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Democrats should have tried harder to persuade him to retire. He's making the same mistake RBG made.

The likes of Demand Justice's obnoxious campaign to do so were actually a hindrance to achieving their stated goal, if the comments on the matter which have been granted to the media by those close to Breyer - incl. former clerks - are true.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1410312310980321286

Imagine unironically agreeing with Matt Yglesias. In any event, no, it's not at all unreasonable to understand that the guy whose #1 stated desire in recent years has been to not do anything that adds to the public's perception of a politicized Court isn't apparently all that keen on bowing down to the demands of those who are explicitly demanding that he do something for a wholly partisan political purpose. Anybody who thinks that such demands would've ever actually served to have convinced Justice Breyer to accede to such demands are mistaking him for a brainless - let alone hypocritical - idiot. If one understands that his goal is to make the Court &, by extension, the justices thereof seem less partisan & politicized than the public already believes them to be, then how anybody could think that demanding his accession to such a steamrolling partisan affair as the actions of Demand Justice & the like have appeared to many to be is beyond me.

Refusing to retire and then dying in time for President Cotton to appoint a replacement isn’t going to make people perceive the court as less politicized. It’s just going to make them perceive Breyer as a naïf.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Democrats should have tried harder to persuade him to retire. He's making the same mistake RBG made.

The likes of Demand Justice's obnoxious campaign to do so were actually a hindrance to achieving their stated goal, if the comments on the matter which have been granted to the media by those close to Breyer - incl. former clerks - are true.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1410312310980321286

Imagine unironically agreeing with Matt Yglesias. In any event, no, it's not at all unreasonable to understand that the guy whose #1 stated desire in recent years has been to not do anything that adds to the public's perception of a politicized Court isn't apparently all that keen on bowing down to the demands of those who are explicitly demanding that he do something for a wholly partisan political purpose. Anybody who thinks that such demands would've ever actually served to have convinced Justice Breyer to accede to such demands are mistaking him for a brainless - let alone hypocritical - idiot. If one understands that his goal is to make the Court &, by extension, the justices thereof seem less partisan & politicized than the public already believes them to be, then how anybody could think that demanding his accession to such a steamrolling partisan affair as the actions of Demand Justice & the like have appeared to many to be is beyond me.

Refusing to retire and then dying in time for President Cotton to appoint a replacement isn’t going to make people perceive the court as less politicized. It’s just going to make them perceive Breyer as a naïf.

Dems have just as many targets in 2o22 Senate races as 2o2o:2022- IA, FL, OH, AK, NC, WI, PA 2o2o IA, NC, MT, KS, TX, AZ, CO, ME if not the H they can hold the S and are favored

We won't win all but WI, PA, OH, NC, AK and IA can create the wave we need to keep the H, we only need several to create a blue wave, Trifecta gives us DC Statehood and Crt packing, Add 4 justices and we don't have to replace Breyer

[brucejoel99]

Democrats should have tried harder to persuade him to retire. He's making the same mistake RBG made.

The likes of Demand Justice's obnoxious campaign to do so were actually a hindrance to achieving their stated goal, if the comments on the matter which have been granted to the media by those close to Breyer - incl. former clerks - are true.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1410312310980321286

Imagine unironically agreeing with Matt Yglesias. In any event, no, it's not at all unreasonable to understand that the guy whose #1 stated desire in recent years has been to not do anything that adds to the public's perception of a politicized Court isn't apparently all that keen on bowing down to the demands of those who are explicitly demanding that he do something for a wholly partisan political purpose. Anybody who thinks that such demands would've ever actually served to have convinced Justice Breyer to accede to such demands are mistaking him for a brainless - let alone hypocritical - idiot. If one understands that his goal is to make the Court &, by extension, the justices thereof seem less partisan & politicized than the public already believes them to be, then how anybody could think that demanding his accession to such a steamrolling partisan affair as the actions of Demand Justice & the like have appeared to many to be is beyond me.

Refusing to retire and then dying in time for President Cotton to appoint a replacement isn’t going to make people perceive the court as less politicized. It’s just going to make them perceive Breyer as a naïf.

Not retiring in the first summer of a Democratic presidency ≠ a naive blanket refusal to retire under a Democratic presidency, thus risking his death under a Republican presidency. Seriously, what is it with everybody on the left-of-center acting in recent days as if Breyer not retiring right now at this very moment equates to the literal end of the world? There's literally another summer left before the midterms, & Pat Leahy's doing just fine; Breyer's former clerk-turned-natural successor was literally just appointed to SCOTUS' Triple-A team, almost as if she's being teed-up for the inevitable vacancy that she's pretty much been the frontrunner for this whole time (& it's not like Breyer - who'd presumably like to see a valued former clerk of his own replace him - doesn't understand that retiring at this very moment would probably result in her actually not being the pick, given that being nominated for SCOTUS less than 3 weeks after becoming an appellate judge & before even hearing a single appellate case wouldn't be a good look); & one of Justice Breyer's OT2021 clerks is literally one of his OT2020 clerks whom he's asked to stick around for another term (which is an unheard-of rarity when it comes to SCOTUS clerkships), with the prominent implication being that his doing so was just the easiest thing to do on short notice after presumably considering retirement this summer before making up his mind - for all of the aforementioned reasons, & more (e.g., abortion/AA cases, one last in-person term) - on 1 more year. Seriously, y'all, all of the evidence points to one direction that looks a lot more like Summer 2022 than it does Armageddon.

[ibagli]

There's a ~100% chance that a vacancy could be filled now. For 2022, it's maybe 98%. A 2% chance of a catastrophe is not worth anything that is gained from the delay. There is no pearl of widsom about to emanate from Stephen Breyer that is worth it, there is no potential replacement who will change the arc of history with her appointment, there is absolutely nothing gained from this except the feelings of a bunch of naive, out-of-touch people in elitist legal circles.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

If D's win in 2022 they can Crt pack, any blue wave will keep us in control of the Trifecta and no new Senator that is running against an R except Gross have committed not to Crt pack

So the odds are in our favor to Crt pack should need be

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There's a ~100% chance that a vacancy could be filled now. For 2022, it's maybe 98%. A 2% chance of a catastrophe is not worth anything that is gained from the delay. There is no pearl of widsom about to emanate from Stephen Breyer that is worth it, there is no potential replacement who will change the arc of history with her appointment, there is absolutely nothing gained from this except the feelings of a bunch of naive, out-of-touch people in elitist legal circles.

It's lower than 98%. Sometimes a seat flips mid term (not midterm). Democrats lost MA in 2010 and sort of MN in 2002. Republicans lost GA in 2000.

[politicallefty]

I think the biggest concern is that anything could happen, but that's true of life in general. A lot of people look to Vermont as a state of possible concern, with both Leahy and Sanders up there in age. However, Governor Phil Scott said last year that if Bernie Sanders had joined Cabinet, he would've appointed someone who would caucus with the Democrats. I see no cause for concern there. Arizona, Maryland, Montana, and West Virginia all have laws requiring any vacancy to be filled by a member of the same party (only including states with Democratic Senators and Republican Governors). The states of highest concern are Georgia, Ohio, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts (the latter only a temporary basis until a special election), all states with no restrictions on the power of the Governor to appoint a successor. Massachusetts can and should change its laws immediately (not because I'm necessarily worried about Elizabeth Warren or Ed Markey, but on the principle that a vacancy should be filled by someone of the same party).

[brucejoel99]

There's a ~100% chance that a vacancy could be filled now. For 2022, it's maybe 98%. A 2% chance of a catastrophe is not worth anything that is gained from the delay. There is no pearl of widsom about to emanate from Stephen Breyer that is worth it, there is no potential replacement who will change the arc of history with her appointment, there is absolutely nothing gained from this except the feelings of a bunch of naive, out-of-touch people in elitist legal circles.

It's lower than 98%. Sometimes a seat flips mid term (not midterm). Democrats lost MA in 2010 and sort of MN in 2002. Republicans lost GA in 2000.

Republicans losing AL in 2017, too. Crucially, though, this year hasn't seen the President trigger any special elections as a result of appointing a Senator to his Cabinet, & no Senator is &/or has been dying. Barring a Wellstone-esque plane crash from outta nowhere, we're fine. Besides, the political branches already have more than enough on their plate right now anyway trying to hammer out legalese for infrastructure that can garner 60 votes in the Senate, & then reconciliation, be it for the totality of the American Jobs & Families Plans if the Republican G21 members back out of the bipartisan deal, or for the remainder of the American Jobs Plan as well as the totality of the American Families Plan in the event that the Republican G21 members actually come through in the end. Dealing with the addition of a Supreme Court vacancy to the mix when - occam's razor-ing it - such a vacancy could just as easily be dealt with a year from now is wholly unnecessary.

[politicallefty]

Republicans losing AL in 2017, too. Crucially, though, this year hasn't seen the President trigger any special elections as a result of appointing a Senator to his Cabinet, & no Senator is &/or has been dying. Barring a Wellstone-esque plane crash from outta nowhere, we're fine. Besides, the political branches already have more than enough on their plate right now anyway trying to hammer out legalese for infrastructure that can garner 60 votes in the Senate, & then reconciliation, be it for the totality of the American Jobs & Families Plans if the Republican G21 members back out of the bipartisan deal, or for the remainder of the American Jobs Plan as well as the totality of the American Families Plan in the event that the Republican G21 members actually come through in the end. Dealing with the addition of a Supreme Court vacancy to the mix when - occam's razor-ing it - such a vacancy could just as easily be dealt with a year from now is wholly unnecessary.

All of that and quite a few lower court seats to fill as well. Another bright side is that the Senate Judiciary Committee won't be tied up for a month or so. There's a lot of work to be done in filling lower court vacancies. They're not just rebalancing the judiciary, but they're the future circuit court judges and Supreme Court Justices. I'm hoping Congress will either cancel or at least trim its August recess.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Alito will announce his retirement first next spring.

I'm allowed to dream.

[brucejoel99]

All of that and quite a few lower court seats to fill as well. Another bright side is that the Senate Judiciary Committee won't be tied up for a month or so. There's a lot of work to be done in filling lower court vacancies. They're not just rebalancing the judiciary, but they're the future circuit court judges and Supreme Court Justices. I'm hoping Congress will either cancel or at least trim its August recess.

If it's any consolation, "the August recess is clearly at risk," per Punchbowl late last week.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Alito will announce his retirement first next spring.

I'm allowed to dream.

Ha, yeah, but there's only one way that Alito leaves the Court during a Biden presidency & it involves no good luck for him.

[freepcrusher]

delete my post and ban me - but I think the dems have to seriously start threatening republican justices with Terre Haute or Canon City.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

All of that and quite a few lower court seats to fill as well. Another bright side is that the Senate Judiciary Committee won't be tied up for a month or so. There's a lot of work to be done in filling lower court vacancies. They're not just rebalancing the judiciary, but they're the future circuit court judges and Supreme Court Justices. I'm hoping Congress will either cancel or at least trim its August recess.

If it's any consolation, "the August recess is clearly at risk," per Punchbowl late last week.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Alito will announce his retirement first next spring.

I'm allowed to dream.

Ha, yeah, but there's only one way that Alito leaves the Court during a Biden presidency & it involves no good luck for him.

Blame Biden that's why he will never make my Fav Prez list only Obama, since he asked Anita Hill why now and allowed Clarence Thomas to a floor vote despite a Dem Judicial Committee and only Paul Simon on the Committee voted afainst


He asked the question to Anita Hill just like Cosby women waited til 2004/ to accuse Bull Cosby, why now