If Italy were the 51st U.S. state etc. etc.

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Jumping on the bandwagon for the entertainment value of hot takes about my country. If Italy were the fifty-first of the United States, how would it vote?

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[Donerail]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_New_Jersey

[parochial boy]

Oh you want hot takes?

Well, Italy is such a chaotic, basket case that they'd completely mess up the organisation, try to ban postal voting, have massive lines in front of the polling stations, take six days to count the votes, and then have a massive fight about fictional voter fraud before the Democrats win by 11'000 votes.








What do you mean, "that sounds like Georgia"?

[CumbrianLefty]

What do you mean, "that sounds like Georgia"?

Which one?

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Well, Italy is such a chaotic, basket case that they'd completely mess up the organisation, try to ban postal voting, have massive lines in front of the polling stations, take six days to count the votes, and then have a massive fight about fictional voter fraud before the Democrats win by 11'000 votes.

For what it's worth, postal voting is already not a thing in Italy.

[If my soul was made of stone]

[FrancoAgo]

Putnam County, NY, voted: 53,1% Trump, 45,3% Biden

Putnam is the county with larger italian ancestry, near 30%

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Putnam County, NY, voted: 53,1% Trump, 45,3% Biden

Putnam is the county with larger italian ancestry, near 30%

It is 79% white, so only 49% of whites have different ancestry (although that depends). Italian-Americans however don't see theirselves as Italians anymore, perhaps as Italian-American or just American, and they're already a long time part of America.

I think Biden would win about 70% against Trump if it voted today. But if it would be a US state for a long time already (say around WW2 USA annexes all of Europe, it could have voted for Trump, yes).

The difference that however you have to take in account... if Europe was part of the US historically, there would be less social & economic achievements over time, and western Europe is quite populated, so if you extrapolate to US demographics, a majority would vote democratic, espeically if they do have a memory of what it used to be and what it is hypothetically now in this scenario. But if labor / worker's right have been disenfranchised for years or decades due to red scares, that might not be part of their memory

and a world without a Europe that historically had stronger showings for social democrats, might mean the Democrats wouldn't be as left-wing as they would be in this scenario, as all forms of left-wing policies and politics be entirely associated with authoritarian asian regimes, including Russia, making people much more hesistant to even vote for a social democratic platform. Meaning social democracy might not even exist or only theoretically.

[Bootes Void]

Too be fair Italian Americans and Italians are very different. So taking comparison from Americans and adding it over there wouldn't be very good

[buritobr]

This is the second time I started a thread, and then it became a bomb!

[CumbrianLefty]

This is the second time I started a thread, and then it became a bomb!

In a positive or negative sense?

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I am surprised that so far many people have made comparisons with areas of the U.S. with high shares of Italian Americans but no one has started pontificating on Italy's demographics or political parties. That's the kind of hot takes I would expect in threads like this.