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« on: June 23, 2021, 04:09:54 PM »

No excuse given. No failed ballots or messed up machines. No late mail votes not counted

A republican governor and state state legislature of a swing state outright ignore the vote and declare X the winner, despite getting less votes. Suppose they changed the law of said state.

Alternativly, republican majorities in congress reject the electoral college count and vote to declare X president

Is this possible? Could anything be done to stop it?

This is a scary thought. I do think had Trump won last November this is how 2024 would have played out.

I don't think the military would step in. Nor would corporate America, if the Democrat is a Bernie Sanders type progressive.

Even if Americans take to the streets in the largest demostrations ever seen, nothing would happen. Look at the George Floyd protests

Only hope would be all our international allies withdrawing their ambassadors and reconizing the Democratic president. But we already know countries like Israel or Brazil or Poland won't do that
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2021, 04:14:12 PM »

They already did in 1876.
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2021, 04:20:42 PM »

Yes, they would.  But I think they would try and say there was fraud, even if there wasn’t.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2021, 04:21:28 PM »

Yes. Without a second thought.

The Republicans, of course, would say there was "massive fraud," and the Insane 43% would follow right along and believe them.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2021, 04:25:43 PM »

They will if they get both Houses of Congress after 2022, but D's are Favs to win the Senate winning WI and PA and if we win OH and NC and IA, wave insurance to keep the H

Thats why Mcconnell is trying to gear the base up on Souter so they can turn out for Rs, Breyer isn't sick and hasn't been hospitalized, Ginsburg was sick for a long time

If the Election is close if Rs have both Houses they will object and stop Biden 2024

That's why Ds need to keep Trifecta to pass DC Statehood for wave insurance for 2024
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2021, 04:34:20 PM »

GWB didn't win Florida and the Supreme Court helped steal a President election. Mitch McConnell stole a Supreme Court Justice seat. Republican state legislators are passing ridiculous bills to control elections in an almost entirely partisan manner.

Yes, I believe they would.

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2021, 04:46:03 PM »

GWB didn't win Florida and the Supreme Court helped steal a President election. Mitch McConnell stole a Supreme Court Justice seat. Republican state legislators are passing ridiculous bills to control elections in an almost entirely partisan manner.

Yes, I believe they would.


Yes. Without a second thought.

The Republicans, of course, would say there was "massive fraud," and the Insane 43% would follow right along and believe them.
Yes, they would.  But I think they would try and say there was fraud, even if there wasn’t.
Suppose Scott Walker won in 2018

Would Republicans in AZ, GA, WI try to steal the election?
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2021, 04:51:55 PM »

Depends on the mechanism used. Countering such actions at federal level would probably be easier than countering several actions at the state level. Joe Biden would be faced with a tough call either way. Should he reject the new elector lists, we'd launch into a political crisis that could easily spiral into civil war if a resolution is not achieved quickly.

I expect biden would reject the new tally, if only because he'd have to be an idiot to not plan for something like this after 1/6.

I will also note that a blatant overturning of election results is quite rare in global politics - in hybrid regimes and even open autocracies, the results are massaged before the election results are reported, not after.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2021, 05:09:00 PM »

I might be wrong but I believe this was the backup plan for the GOP in Florida if the Supreme Court didn't rule the way it did in 2000.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2021, 05:13:48 PM »

Of course. The majority of House Republicans explicitly endorsed the Supreme Court that asked not for additional recounts or new counting standards, but for the Court to just declare Trump the winner.

This is becoming a forgotten fact, sadly, and those anti-democracy lunatics shouldn't be able to get away with it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2021, 05:24:45 PM »

I thought this was going to be a resurrected thread from 2007 or something to say "wow these takes aged badly" because the answer today is obviously yes.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2021, 06:45:20 PM »

They have done so already.  At the state level: New Jersey in 1981 and Georgia in 2018.  Probably others as well.
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2021, 06:46:36 PM »

They already have. US presidential election in 2000; Georgia governor election 2018.

And basically any Wisconsin legislative state election.
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2021, 06:49:15 PM »

They already have.US presidential election in 2000; Georgia governor election 2018.

And basically any Wisconsin legislative state election.

2000 wasnt stolen lmao : https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/index.html

If the SCOTUS didnt rule the way they did, what would happen very likely is the election would be thrown to the House where Bush still wins.


Also no 2018 wasnt stolen lol, and if you say it was then you have no justification to cry wolf about Republicans screaming 2020 was rigged
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2021, 06:53:26 PM »
« Edited: June 23, 2021, 06:56:57 PM by Frank »

They already have.US presidential election in 2000; Georgia governor election 2018.

And basically any Wisconsin legislative state election.

2000 wasnt stolen lmao : https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/index.html

If the SCOTUS didnt rule the way they did, what would happen very likely is the election would be thrown to the House where Bush still wins.


Also no 2018 wasnt stolen lol, and if you say it was then you have no justification to cry wolf about Republicans screaming 2020 was rigged

2000 was certainly stolen.  The Supreme Court had no role to get involved in a state election dispute that had been settled at the state.  The recount should have been allowed to continue.

Also, in both in 2000 and in Georgia in 2018, the Republican Secretary of State illegally removed 10,000s of thousands of mostly minority voters from the election rolls.  In Florida, if not Georgia, courts have acknowledged this in agreeing with voters who sued that they were illegally removed from the voter rolls.

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Voter_roll_purge_in_the_2000_Florida_election

Of course, the courts could not overturn the election as a penalty for the stealing.
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2021, 07:10:20 PM »

Depends on who you're talking about and what you mean by "openly". Trump absolutely would have if he'd been able to, I think he'd have even done a straight up coup if he'd had the military behind him. A lot of the others wouldn't have the balls for something like that.

You could say 2000 was a "stolen" election (Gore likely won the "real" tally) but it was not "openly and outright". The election was genuinely (i.e, not dumb stuff like the dominion voting machine crap) disputed either way and they made sound legal arguments for stopping the count. Either side would do something like that if they had the opportunity.
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2021, 07:51:16 PM »

Yes, next question.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2021, 08:04:42 PM »

Yes and then the media would insist that it wasn’t stolen, they are just applying and obscure rule that literally never existed up until that point, and that anyone claiming that this was the end of American democracy was being dramatic, while a cadre of elected Democrats claims that we have to accept this to keep public faith in our elections. Fast forward a month or two and everyone will just kind of shrug and accept that this is just how things work now.
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2021, 08:27:49 PM »

Yes, it was a month's long legal saga earlier this year. The fact that the attempt was run by a team of the dumbest people who ever lived who couldn't successfully steal a candy bar from Wall mart doesn't change that they did openly and outright attempt to steal the election from Biden, they just failed.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2021, 08:42:31 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2021, 08:52:23 PM »

Yes, but they'd publicly put out some generic statement like "Due to voting irregularities that we've noticed, we've decided to declare the Republican candidate the winner".
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2021, 11:26:56 PM »

They stole the 2000 presidential, 2018 Georgia gubernatorial, and tried damn hard to do the same with the 2020 presidential. What are we even discussing here?
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2021, 11:39:09 PM »
« Edited: June 23, 2021, 11:44:16 PM by Frank »

They stole the 2000 presidential, 2018 Georgia gubernatorial, and tried damn hard to do the same with the 2020 presidential. What are we even discussing here?

And the 1981 New Jersey gubernatorial. That's what forced the Republican Party (The RNC technically)  to sign a consent decree that mostly prevented them from cheating until 2017.

With the exception of the 2000 Federal Election, this is why they stopped for this length of time but have already tried twice (that is known about) since then.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Voices/2020/08/11/Armed-poll-watchers-NJs-cautionary-tale-from-1981/3701597146308/

Tom Kean Sr. was a decent person, was reelected in 1985 in a landslide and claimed to have no knowledge of what was being done to help him, and was most likely telling the truth, but some of his senior campaign staff got involved with some truly horrible people (most likely including Roger Stone.)
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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2021, 12:07:43 AM »

Florida 2000 wasn't stolen--Gore was an idiot for not seeking a statewide recount in the first place, leaving enough subjectivity to the vote that it would come down to a purely partisan SCOTUS vote.
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2021, 12:11:15 AM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Alabama_gubernatorial_election
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