Buffalo, NY - The Comeback Kid

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This is basically electoral malpractice on Brown's part. He absolutely deserved to lose, but it's got to be tempting to try to continue the race with this lack of interest in the race.

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Does Buffalo even have a halfway strong Republican candidate/party?

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Does Buffalo even have a halfway strong Republican candidate/party?

No, IIRC they're not even running a candidate in this race.

Yeah, so I don't see the need for anyone worrying. If Brown can turn this around, it's his right. If Walton wants to earn the Mayor's chair, she'll have to do a bit better than a primary with around 5% turnout. Nothing shocking.

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Vote Blue No Matter Who, Except... well, just fill in any progressive candidate who won or looked like they were competitive in a primary.

It's a blue vs blue election.

0% chance this would ever be said if a centrist successfully primaried AOC and she launched a write-in campaign or something like that

There's a 0% chance that this race will go to a Republican due to split votes.  That is always the issue when a defeated primary opponent runs an independent general election campaign.  It's basically a do-over of the primary since they're effectively the only two candidates.

I'm sure you understand this and you're just pretending to be thick so you can try to dunk on me.

How would you feel if the Democratic vote splits the same way it did in the primary and Brown wins due to Republicans voting for him? Would that be a good outcome for the people of Buffalo?

The candidate with the greater overall support from the people of Buffalo winning would seem to be a good outcome.

Elections being determined six months early by a party primary with ridiculously low turnout is rarely a good in general, but it's an unavoidable evil in what's essentially one-party areas. This time might not be so easy.

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Vote Blue No Matter Who, Except... well, just fill in any progressive candidate who won or looked like they were competitive in a primary.

It's a blue vs blue election.

0% chance this would ever be said if a centrist successfully primaried AOC and she launched a write-in campaign or something like that

There's a 0% chance that this race will go to a Republican due to split votes.  That is always the issue when a defeated primary opponent runs an independent general election campaign.  It's basically a do-over of the primary since they're effectively the only two candidates.

I'm sure you understand this and you're just pretending to be thick so you can try to dunk on me.

How would you feel if the Democratic vote splits the same way it did in the primary and Brown wins due to Republicans voting for him? Would that be a good outcome for the people of Buffalo?

The candidate with the greater overall support from the people of Buffalo winning would seem to be a good outcome.

Elections being determined six months early by a party primary with ridiculously low turnout is rarely a good in general, but it's an unavoidable evil in what's essentially one-party areas. This time might not be so easy.

Sure, but at that point is it really “vote blue no matter who” if one of the “blue” candidates is a sore loser propped up by Republicans?

I mean, one's propped up by Republicans and one's propped up by entryist third partiers, so...meh?

They both seem pretty awful, but it's not going against the Democrats to vote for the candidate who's been a Democrat for far longer.

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Vote Blue No Matter Who, Except... well, just fill in any progressive candidate who won or looked like they were competitive in a primary.

It's a blue vs blue election.

Would you say the same if Brown won the primary and Walton ran?

Of course you wouldn't.

She literally boasted she would run on a third-party line she already had if she lost the primary.

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Glad to see the unilateral disarmament is over!

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Glad to see the unilateral disarmament is over!

Oh please. You couldn't even commit to voting for Biden in 2024. You of all people in this thread don't get to talk - at least MacArthur has been loyal to the party for years!

It's Q's party now. I can't see myself voting for Republicans any time soon. Besides, Biden's probably not running.

Anyway, after Nina Turner responded to her loss by spending days inciting against American Jews getting involved in politics, her entire wing can go to hell. Walton too.

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Glad to see the unilateral disarmament is over!

Oh please. You couldn't even commit to voting for Biden in 2024. You of all people in this thread don't get to talk - at least MacArthur has been loyal to the party for years!

It's Q's party now. I can't see myself voting for Republicans any time soon. Besides, Biden's probably not running.

Anyway, after Nina Turner responded to her loss by spending days inciting against American Jews getting involved in politics, her entire wing can go to hell. Walton too.

The Republican Party being unacceptable to you doesn't automatically mean the Democratic Party is for you.

I mean, it seems pretty acceptable to me. I'm in line with the President of the United States on the majority of issues. I'm in line with the Senate Majority Leader on the majority of issues. The Speaker of the House may be a little to my left, but she's proved herself a reasonable figure. Virtually all the Dem Governors seem to be doing an acceptable job. I would vote to re-elect about eighty percent of House and Senate Democrats if I had the chance.

My problem with the party is only a small group of radicals who snuck in via stealth primaries and attempted to transform the party into a clone of the racist scum vultures who lost two elections but managed to massively increase their country's antisemitism stats. Those people sound like they should be minimized for a healthy party.

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I didn't go through all of this thread and local Buffalo politics, but what is the short version of why Brown lost his primary?

From what I gather Brown just expected to win and didn’t really put in the ground effort (just like Crowley, Engel, Capuano, Cantor….) while India Walton actually showed up and put in the effort and had a good ground game.

Cantor and Capuano were definitely engaged in their races. Pressley was just really good at driving turnout among young voters, while Brat was REALLY good at dogwhistles.

This race seems like a straight parallel to Crowley, although Brown was even closer to full-on electoral malpractice. It's not that he underestimated Walton, it's that he basically refused to acknowledge her and seemed offended by the idea that he should campaign.

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This is probably all going to come down to how effectively Brown is at getting the word out about writing him in, but given how nasty the race has gotten, I doubt too many people will be coming in intending to vote for Brown, not know how to, and vote for Walton instead. This one might come down to a Murkowski/Miller battle over valid write-in votes.

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That's a pretty smart polling methodology. Brown having such high name recognition is going to help a lot with the mail-in campaign.

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I hope New York passes a sore loser law to prevent this kind of nonsense in the future. You shouldn’t be allowed to run if you loose a major primary (progressive, conservative, moderate, liberal or whatever). I really hope Brown is blacklisted from the party (as I would have AOC if she had lost in her initial primary and kept running)

NY already has a sore loser law, and I'm pretty sure no place bans write-in campaigns.

Doing so would actually feel far more undemocratic than doing away with sore loser laws altogether.

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It's not Atlas tier analysts and moderate heroes causing India Walton to loose, it's mostly ordinary residents of buffalo who don't like her agenda and who prefer the corrupt machinations of Bryon Brown to her agenda while also not being political engaged enough to vote in the primary. The fact that is even a competive race should illustrate just how unpopular socialism and the broader left-wing "defund the police" agenda is with the american public

Weird how Ray LOLfield, despite seeing mythical left-wing anti-Semites in his Cheerios every morning, has no response to Brown's campaign spouting anti-Semitism, yet has enough free time in his busy life to recommend this.

As was pointed out above you, there is no evidence that this came from Byron Brown's campaign and I also recommended the post shutting down the disgusting attempt by the guy who thinks the term "Jewish supremacy" is fine and dandy to justify it. But hey, I'm just glad you found some antisemitism you can actually condemn.

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It's not Atlas tier analysts and moderate heroes causing India Walton to loose, it's mostly ordinary residents of buffalo who don't like her agenda and who prefer the corrupt machinations of Bryon Brown to her agenda while also not being political engaged enough to vote in the primary. The fact that is even a competive race should illustrate just how unpopular socialism and the broader left-wing "defund the police" agenda is with the american public

Weird how Ray LOLfield, despite seeing mythical left-wing anti-Semites in his Cheerios every morning, has no response to Brown's campaign spouting anti-Semitism, yet has enough free time in his busy life to recommend this.

As was pointed out above you, there is no evidence that this came from Byron Brown's campaign and I also recommended the post shutting down the disgusting attempt by the guy who thinks the term "Jewish supremacy" is fine and dandy to justify it. But hey, I'm just glad you found some antisemitism you can actually condemn.

Excuses, excuses. And I condemn all antisemitism, unlike you who ignores it until you need to invent some to justify your deranged crusade against the left. Nice new username btw, I'll just keep calling you LOLfield because all your opinions are a true minefield of LOLs.

Keep on reeing and stalking people's recommendations. I'm sure it's going over great with all the people tweeting "It was a Scam" hashtags on Twitter.

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It's not Atlas tier analysts and moderate heroes causing India Walton to loose, it's mostly ordinary residents of buffalo who don't like her agenda and who prefer the corrupt machinations of Bryon Brown to her agenda while also not being political engaged enough to vote in the primary. The fact that is even a competive race should illustrate just how unpopular socialism and the broader left-wing "defund the police" agenda is with the american public

Weird how Ray LOLfield, despite seeing mythical left-wing anti-Semites in his Cheerios every morning, has no response to Brown's campaign spouting anti-Semitism, yet has enough free time in his busy life to recommend this.

As was pointed out above you, there is no evidence that this came from Byron Brown's campaign and I also recommended the post shutting down the disgusting attempt by the guy who thinks the term "Jewish supremacy" is fine and dandy to justify it. But hey, I'm just glad you found some antisemitism you can actually condemn.

Not the campaign itself, but Chris Scanlon is a very outspoken Brown surrogate and ally.

First I've heard of him, but he seems disgusting and needs to be removed from the campaign - and certainly not given any position if Brown wins as seems likely.

Is he a Democrat? I would assume so given his position on the city council, but he sounds like a Trumper and very different from the tone of Brown's campaign.

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FWIW, interesting sidenote in the final hours, some media around Buffalo are now considering write-in candidate Ben Carlisle a candidate (of note) in the race. Having met Ben I can see why voters would like him. Appeals to a small but loud niche of Buffalo voters.

What niche is that if you don’t mind elaborating?

He's a former Dem and Obama voter that's essentially disgruntled by both the left and right since COVID. Mostly liberal on social issues but right-leaning on the economy and COVID topics. I could see some centrist or apolitical folks (not willing to support Brown) writing him in. Not to say he'll surpass 2% though, but if Walton/Brown goes to a razor's edge he could be the variable.

Sounds like a similar dynamic to the very vocal Princess Blanding over in the VA Gov race.

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Vote blue no matter who unless a progressive gets the nomination.

Does this stupid s--t have to be posted on every page of the thread?  Jesus.  Both candidates are blue.  You can vote for whoever you want and you'll be voting blue.

More importantly, there is not a Republican in the race.

"Vote Blue no matter who" always had a single intention - to prevent elections from being flipped to the Republicans like happened in 2016.

I'm uniquely unsympathetic to Walton because she had already sought a third-party line, but even if that was the situation, no one on Brown's side would care about the race because there would be no chance of losing it!

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Yeah, early reports are that Walton is heavily behind write-ins. This one might be interesting or it might be over early.

I suspect this race will make primary losers in non-competitive races be a lot less shy about fighting to stay in office. I was kind of surprised Lacy Clay didn't.

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Yeah, early reports are that Walton is heavily behind write-ins. This one might be interesting or it might be over early.

I suspect this race will make primary losers in non-competitive races be a lot less shy about fighting to stay in office. I was kind of surprised Lacy Clay didn't.

If you're talking about running someone in Clay's position in the general, then it's because all states but NY, CT, and IA have sore-loser laws.

I'm pretty sure he could run a write-in campaign like Brown did? That's how Lisa Murkowski won after losing the primary.

Of course, that's much trickier in a Presidential year Congressional race than an off-year Mayoral race, so I'm not shocked he just took his pension and retired.

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Yeah, this is extremely over.

Not by tricks or hack judges or whatever - Brown simply took the race seriously. Not a lot to be mad about.

It's pretty sad that voters ignored his obvious corruption and failings as a mayor, but I guess it's their fault that Buffalo will continue to be mired in poverty as one of the worst American cities. It's been funny to see our worst hacks like Ray LOLfield and Generic Macaroni embrace this terrible candidate because le evil left, though. It just means we can take them even less seriously from now on.

I'm sorry you actually had to win a competitive general election after a sneak primary victory. This must be a very trying time for you.

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Yeah, this is extremely over.

Not by tricks or hack judges or whatever - Brown simply took the race seriously. Not a lot to be mad about.

It's pretty sad that voters ignored his obvious corruption and failings as a mayor, but I guess it's their fault that Buffalo will continue to be mired in poverty as one of the worst American cities. It's been funny to see our worst hacks like Ray LOLfield and Generic Macaroni embrace this terrible candidate because le evil left, though. It just means we can take them even less seriously from now on.

I'm sorry you actually had to win a competitive general election after a sneak primary victory. This must be a very trying time for you.

"Sneak primary election" do you even hear yourself? If the roles were reversed, you'd be crying and shidding your pants right now like you usually do because a progressive refused to accept their primary loss.

Take all the time you need. I know it hurts.

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That's right. Everything we don't like is a Republican.

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That's right. Everything we don't like is a Republican.

Kinda like how everything you don't like is anti-Semitic, except this is based on reality (Republicans backing Brown) and not your own paranoid delusions.

My lord, dude. Cope.

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That's right. Everything we don't like is a Republican.

Kinda like how everything you don't like is anti-Semitic, except this is based on reality (Republicans backing Brown) and not your own paranoid delusions.

My lord, dude. Cope.

Go back to being a Republican, there's no point pretending to be a Dem anymore. You're probably cheering on Ciatarelli too.

You and your ilk are certainly doing your best to send me back! But no, a whole lot of fumigating left to do in that party before I'd even consider it. The Dems are doing a much better job of sending their antisemitic fringe freak candidates back to the barn.