Buffalo, NY - The Comeback Kid

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Two things are great about this, a new socialist mayor and showing more how term limits are unnecessary

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I really hope Brown runs as a write in.

Same and I hope he gets stomped

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He absolutely can win as a writein. Rs got about 30% last time they put up a candidate, so he only needs to get about 30% of the D vote to reach 50 if Rs also tell voters to vote for him. And he got 45% of Ds in the primary.

I'm not saying its likely that he can get that many people to prefer him (and correctly writein his name), but its possible. The million dollar question is what argument all the Ds who berate green party voters will use to justify voting for him.

If he runs as a right in and does well it will likely hand it to the republicans, and will make anyone who supports him and chastised Bernie voters for not voting for Hillary the worst hypocrites.

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I said it before and I’ll say it again. I hope he gets stomped

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This guy is trying to do only what Murkowski can do

And Thurmond

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Any establishment democrat that supports Brown after having chastised progressives into voting for the nominee after they lost the primary.

Being in a party means who support the nominee. Crowley, Capuano, etc. all lost and bowed out.

I’m not a Turnerite but if brown’s stunt pulls off I’ll be pissed

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I really don't agree with this. Unless there is some huge scandal that makes the Democratic nominee unacceptable I don't agree with getting ballot access on through the court after losing a primary.

This.

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https://twitter.com/AaronBesecker/status/1434901575944835076?s=19

If you were wondering why Hochul "didn't endorse", this is why. The best endorsement is the one you don't make.

F***in hell, I had so much hope for Hochul before this mess. I hope she gets primaried

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So Walton being asked to leave was bad how?

Brown is currently being a massive sore loser and piss baby after losing the democratic primary to Walton, a progressive candidate. Brown being present in this context equates to a tacit endorsement approval. Brown, (or any one who looses a democratic primary and then runs third party) should be made persona non grata to any democrat official. Brown should not have been there.

New York ought to pass a sore loser law like South Carolina has

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I didn't go through all of this thread and local Buffalo politics, but what is the short version of why Brown lost his primary?

From what I gather Brown just expected to win and didn’t really put in the ground effort (just like Crowley, Engel, Capuano, Cantor….) while India Walton actually showed up and put in the effort and had a good ground game.

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Mayor Brown removed from the ballot after fight from Walton campaign:

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/government-and-politics/byron-brown-off-buffalo-mayoral-ballot-after-state-federal-rulings/article_3789a114-1662-11ec-823e-ffce2f3f9692.html#tracking-source=home-breaking

Good

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https://mobile.twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1451340276073652227

Ok but did she lie tho?

Some of the first organized “law” enforcements were slave catchers and it’s not like those in power playing oppressed groups off each other to their benefit is a novel concept?

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Ok but did she lie tho?

Some of the first organized “law” enforcements were slave catchers and it’s not like those in power playing oppressed groups off each other to their benefit is a novel concept?

Yes.  This is a talking point that John Oliver's dumbass writers completely made up because it sounded good, and everyone just collectively decided to believe it.  As if the world was just anarchy prior to the antebellum south.

I didn’t say *all* police force came from slave patrols, but in rural southern America the idea of a law enforcement patrol came out of slave patrols. In many cases the local sheriffs worked through the extrajudicial slave hunters to enforce laws on black people and keep them in line.

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Ok but did she lie tho?

Some of the first organized “law” enforcements were slave catchers and it’s not like those in power playing oppressed groups off each other to their benefit is a novel concept?

Yes.  This is a talking point that John Oliver's dumbass writers completely made up because it sounded good, and everyone just collectively decided to believe it.  As if the world was just anarchy prior to the antebellum south.

I didn’t say *all* police force came from slave patrols, but in rural southern America the idea of a law enforcement patrol came out of slave patrols. In many cases the local sheriffs worked through the extrajudicial slave hunters to enforce laws on black people and keep them in line.

Now...that's believable, and I'll take your word for it. But a lot more specificality is needed.

A lot of modern law just how it’s conceptualized started in slave codes. Vagrancy, loitering, and those kind of “petty crimes” were created from slave codes. The first slave code in the americas (Barbados) was in 1661, South Carolina created there’s in 1695. So essentially as long as there have been government in continental America there were slave codes and slave enforcements as a big concern of it. The first official slave patrol began in South Carolina in 1704. Remember at this time enslaved people needed their masters permission to do just about anything, permission that could be given and taken at will. These patrols used many tactics akin to modern policing like “stop and frisk” where slaves could be forced to be searched at anytime for any reason.

Centuries later after the civil war the men who were apart of and ran these didn’t disappear. Slave Codes were replaced by Black Codes which were just about identical. Many of these were past literally the second they had the chance, late 1865 and created a separate judicial system for black people (literally) with much harsher punishments. Many times they just copy and pasted the black codes and just changed a few words around. These were largely enforced by local sheriffs and made the bulk of their duty. Sheriffs who many of had fought in the civil war, had own slaves, or had the support of slave owners (as sheriff was and is an elected position). You didn’t start seeing statewide police forces until the late 1800s and early 1900s.

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https://buffalonews.com/news/local/government-and-politics/real-absolutely-resilient-you-bet-but-some-wonder-is-india-walton-ready/article_e7a00bd0-329e-11ec-bf15-4fd27d727f0c.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/government-and-politics/byron-browns-primary-loss-sparked-a-political-battle-some-wonder-has-he-hit-his-shelf/article_9efcf498-3338-11ec-b686-7b7156354265.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

The race enters its final days, and things are getting pretty toxic. A lot of people are starting to question India Walton's short temper, criminal affiliations, and some past social media activity. Walton's campaign continues to emphasize Buffalo's lack of social mobility under Brown's leadership.

She literally forgave and accepted the Chair of the NYDEM in an interview showing the most control and grace of about any politician in years…

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I hope New York passes a sore loser law to prevent this kind of nonsense in the future. You shouldn’t be allowed to run if you loose a major primary (progressive, conservative, moderate, liberal or whatever). I really hope Brown is blacklisted from the party (as I would have AOC if she had lost in her initial primary and kept running)

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This guy is a ing Republican

Yes. A black man that was elected mayor of a large northeastern city in New York State 4 consecutive times as well as winning the Democratic Party primary 4 consecutive times is a Republican.

Any more intelligent insight you wish to add?

You act like black politicians aren’t some of the most moderate/conservative ones in the Democratic Party. We regularly win 90% or more of black votes, it’s not like they’re all liberal…

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This guy is a ing Republican

Yes. A black man that was elected mayor of a large northeastern city in New York State 4 consecutive times as well as winning the Democratic Party primary 4 consecutive times is a Republican.

Any more intelligent insight you wish to add?

You act like black politicians aren’t some of the most moderate/conservative ones in the Democratic Party. We regularly win 90% or more of black votes, it’s not like they’re all liberal…

So are you saying black politicians are not welcome in the Democratic Party unless they're liberal, or are you saying he should be disqualified from running in the primary, or are you calling most black politicians DINOs? Or to frame it in terms for the ignorant: how can a guy in a Democratic-majority city that's "A REPUBLICAN" win the Democratic primary 4 consecutive times?

I literally didn’t say that? I’m just pointing out that many politicians (particularly minorities) might actually agree with republicans on several issues but don’t vote republican cause they’re actually openly racist at worst or actively apathetic towards minorities.

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FWIW, interesting sidenote in the final hours, some media around Buffalo are now considering write-in candidate Ben Carlisle a candidate (of note) in the race. Having met Ben I can see why voters would like him. Appeals to a small but loud niche of Buffalo voters.

What niche is that if you don’t mind elaborating?

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Okay, maybe Walton wasn't the candidate we thought:

https://twitter.com/thehousered/status/1455727396255117316

https://twitter.com/thehousered/status/1455735146712289281

Local media did not cover these at all, but I'm not shocked to find out the progressive empress has no clothes.

I’ve been a big advocate of her but she can get bent now

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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/08/buffalo-mayor-progressives-dems-520327

Well, this is just delightful. Demanding reprisals against the loser of a controversial race is ridiculous enough, but demanding them against the winner?

Uhhh wut

I don’t like brown after her scab work using, but as a party they should have 0 acceptance for someone who ignores the results of a primary