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« Reply #100 on: September 03, 2021, 01:53:57 PM »

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« Reply #101 on: September 03, 2021, 02:42:23 PM »

Tossup -> likely Brown.

Like I said before the ballot bit is the main thing holding him back and with that gone (is that even a write in at this point?) he’s likely to cruise to victory.
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« Reply #102 on: September 03, 2021, 04:20:41 PM »
« Edited: September 03, 2021, 04:25:33 PM by Bloomberg Democrat »

Tossup -> likely Brown.

Like I said before the ballot bit is the main thing holding him back and with that gone (is that even a write in at this point?) he’s likely to cruise to victory.

Buffalo here. Massive rise for support for Brown in the city. He's throwing everything he has at this and I would now consider him the favorite.

Also, local Democratic attorney Ben Carlisle, and Republican William O'Dell have also joined the race as write-in candidates.
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« Reply #103 on: September 03, 2021, 06:19:32 PM »

I heard Walton is appealing to the 2nd Court of Appeals. What are they chances they overturn this ruling?
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« Reply #104 on: September 03, 2021, 06:22:38 PM »

Worth noting that the judge's brother in this case is a top donor for Brown's campaign. Not surprised that the most corrupt state in the union is attempting to steal another election from the left.
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« Reply #105 on: September 03, 2021, 06:33:29 PM »

Worth noting that the judge's brother in this case is a top donor for Brown's campaign. Not surprised that the most corrupt state in the union is attempting to steal another election from the left.

No one is trying to steal anything. A judge ordered he placed on the ballot and that's that. Unless the second circuit says otherwise Brown will be on the ballot. Should the Board of Elections in your view defy the court and refuse to place him on the ballot?
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« Reply #106 on: September 03, 2021, 07:11:07 PM »

Worth noting that the judge's brother in this case is a top donor for Brown's campaign. Not surprised that the most corrupt state in the union is attempting to steal another election from the left.

No one is trying to steal anything. A judge ordered he placed on the ballot and that's that. Unless the second circuit says otherwise Brown will be on the ballot. Should the Board of Elections in your view defy the court and refuse to place him on the ballot?

What's the statutory basis for the ruling? There shouldn't be room for legal shenanigans here. What does the law say about losing primary candidates appearing on the ballot? If it's allowed, it's allowed. If it's not, it's not.
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« Reply #107 on: September 03, 2021, 07:42:54 PM »

Any establishment democrat that supports Brown after having chastised progressives into voting for the nominee after they lost the primary.

Being in a party means who support the nominee. Crowley, Capuano, etc. all lost and bowed out.

I’m not a Turnerite but if brown’s stunt pulls off I’ll be pissed
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« Reply #108 on: September 03, 2021, 08:32:21 PM »
« Edited: September 03, 2021, 09:08:19 PM by The Notorious L.I.A.R. »

Any establishment democrat that supports Brown after having chastised progressives into voting for the nominee after they lost the primary.

Being in a party means who support the nominee. Crowley, Capuano, etc. all lost and bowed out.

I’m not a Turnerite but if brown’s stunt pulls off I’ll be pissed

Don't get mad, silly! We all know "vote blue no matter who" only applies to the left and doesn't apply for leftist candidates. Just look at how they cancelled people like John Lynch and Brad Ashford for endorsing Republicans!
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« Reply #109 on: September 03, 2021, 08:41:27 PM »

I really don't agree with this. Unless there is some huge scandal that makes the Democratic nominee unacceptable I don't agree with getting ballot access on through the court after losing a primary.
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« Reply #110 on: September 03, 2021, 08:54:19 PM »
« Edited: September 03, 2021, 09:19:37 PM by The Notorious L.I.A.R. »

Worth noting that the judge's brother in this case is a top donor for Brown's campaign. Not surprised that the most corrupt state in the union is attempting to steal another election from the left.

No one is trying to steal anything. A judge ordered he placed on the ballot and that's that. Unless the second circuit says otherwise Brown will be on the ballot. Should the Board of Elections in your view defy the court and refuse to place him on the ballot?

What's the statutory basis for the ruling? There shouldn't be room for legal shenanigans here. What does the law say about losing primary candidates appearing on the ballot? If it's allowed, it's allowed. If it's not, it's not.

Brown missed the filing deadline to get on the ballot as an independent. From what I hear their argument was that the filing deadline was too early - and the reasoning is unclear from Brown or Sinatra's side.

Worth noting that the judge's brother in this case is a top donor for Brown's campaign. Not surprised that the most corrupt state in the union is attempting to steal another election from the left.

No one is trying to steal anything. A judge ordered he placed on the ballot and that's that. Unless the second circuit says otherwise Brown will be on the ballot. Should the Board of Elections in your view defy the court and refuse to place him on the ballot?

Yes. The presiding judge had a very clear conflict of interest in the case, per Code of Conduct. Couple that, the political leaning of the judge, and the ruling that transcends precedence, and it points to corruption - much more explicit than the Caban situation.
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« Reply #111 on: September 03, 2021, 09:08:57 PM »

Byron Brown is awful but I would love to see the socialist woman lose.
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« Reply #112 on: September 03, 2021, 09:30:58 PM »

I really don't agree with this. Unless there is some huge scandal that makes the Democratic nominee unacceptable I don't agree with getting ballot access on through the court after losing a primary.

This.
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« Reply #113 on: September 03, 2021, 10:14:14 PM »

Worth noting that the judge's brother in this case is a top donor for Brown's campaign. Not surprised that the most corrupt state in the union is attempting to steal another election from the left.

No one is trying to steal anything. A judge ordered he placed on the ballot and that's that. Unless the second circuit says otherwise Brown will be on the ballot. Should the Board of Elections in your view defy the court and refuse to place him on the ballot?

What's the statutory basis for the ruling? There shouldn't be room for legal shenanigans here. What does the law say about losing primary candidates appearing on the ballot? If it's allowed, it's allowed. If it's not, it's not.

Brown missed the filing deadline to get on the ballot as an independent. From what I hear their argument was that the filing deadline was too early - and the reasoning is unclear from Brown or Sinatra's side.

Worth noting that the judge's brother in this case is a top donor for Brown's campaign. Not surprised that the most corrupt state in the union is attempting to steal another election from the left.

No one is trying to steal anything. A judge ordered he placed on the ballot and that's that. Unless the second circuit says otherwise Brown will be on the ballot. Should the Board of Elections in your view defy the court and refuse to place him on the ballot?

Yes. The presiding judge had a very clear conflict of interest in the case, per Code of Conduct. Couple that, the political leaning of the judge, and the ruling that transcends precedence, and it points to corruption - much more explicit than the Caban situation.
No. They would be held in contempt of court. The leaning of the judge us irrelevant. You have no evidence of anything else you allege.
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« Reply #114 on: September 03, 2021, 11:00:50 PM »
« Edited: September 04, 2021, 02:26:43 AM by The Notorious L.I.A.R. »

Yes. The presiding judge had a very clear conflict of interest in the case, per Code of Conduct. Couple that, the political leaning of the judge, and the ruling that transcends precedence, and it points to corruption - much more explicit than the Caban situation.
No. They would be held in contempt of court. The leaning of the judge us irrelevant. You have no evidence of anything else you allege.

In that case, allow me to retort:

* Here's the complaint. The Brown campaign alleges that the ballot deadline violates the First and Fourteenth Amendment, but never elaborates how. It cites an old executive order that expired last July and was a temporary suspension of the ballot deadline due to COVID. I think we can all agree that ballot deadlines being a Constitutional violation are absurd.

* The Sinatra family's ties to Brown are very well-documented to the point where they're being reported in the news. His brother donated over $10,000 to Brown over the course of his career, and he's touted Brown's support in ads for his real estate company.

* Sinatra's political affiliations are also very relevant, given that Brown is the de facto GOP candidate. Trump appointed Sinatra after a recommendation from none other than congressman Chris Collins. Who invested more than $10 million in his brother's company.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's probably a duck. The entire thing reeks of corruption and if you don't see it, I don't ever want to see you talking about voting rights again.
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« Reply #115 on: September 04, 2021, 02:50:58 AM »
« Edited: September 04, 2021, 03:43:33 AM by VBNMW is BS »

Your reminder that your new darling (from Buffalo itself!) refused to endorse in this race.



Was excited to get a Democrat in office but that's clearly not the case here! "Vote blue no matter who" only applies to leftist voters and doesn't apply to leftist candidates. If Bernie or the Squad did this they'd be crucified. What a f**king joke this sh*t is.
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« Reply #116 on: September 04, 2021, 05:19:48 AM »

Worth noting that the judge's brother in this case is a top donor for Brown's campaign. Not surprised that the most corrupt state in the union is attempting to steal another election from the left.

I'm more interested in the "another". What other elections were "stolen" from the left and by whom?

Anyway, pretty obvious that "blue no matter who" applies only when there's any danger of a Republican getting elected. If AOC lost a primary in her district and ran as a WF nominee most Democrats wouldn't care. In this case, there's no danger of a Republican getting elected, so everyone should support whoever is closer to them ideologically. Very easy. I personally support Brown because I believe a far-left movement is a danger to several of my policy priorities. If this was, say, a race for a relatively swingy House seat I'd be with you in attacking Brown for trying to derail the Democratic nominee.
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« Reply #117 on: September 04, 2021, 08:51:13 AM »

I really don't agree with this. Unless there is some huge scandal that makes the Democratic nominee unacceptable I don't agree with getting ballot access on through the court after losing a primary.

Being a moron is a huge scandal.

Was excited to get a Democrat in office but that's clearly not the case here! "Vote blue no matter who" only applies to leftist voters and doesn't apply to leftist candidates. If Bernie or the Squad did this they'd be crucified. What a f**king joke this sh*t is.

Byron Brown is a Democrat.  Funny to see you melting down over this though.

I'm also curious what VBNMWEB did to become your new target.  It's sad but funny that you always use your screen name to attack your enemy of the month.
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« Reply #118 on: September 04, 2021, 09:52:54 AM »

Tossup -> likely Brown.

Like I said before the ballot bit is the main thing holding him back and with that gone (is that even a write in at this point?) he’s likely to cruise to victory.

Buffalo here. Massive rise for support for Brown in the city. He's throwing everything he has at this and I would now consider him the favorite.

Also, local Democratic attorney Ben Carlisle, and Republican William O'Dell have also joined the race as write-in candidates.
I recently visited Buffalo. In the more residential parts of the city, it seemed like there was a “Write Down Byron Brown” sign in front of every other house. Compare that to the one India Walton yard sign and one India Walton bumper sticker I saw.
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« Reply #119 on: September 04, 2021, 01:00:04 PM »
« Edited: September 04, 2021, 01:05:28 PM by VBNMW is BS »

I'm more interested in the "another". What other elections were "stolen" from the left and by whom?

Tiffany Caban, where the NYCBOE suddenly found 4,000 votes that flipped the margin from a 1000-vote Caban win to a 20-vote Katz win. A much more tenuous accusation than the last one - it's pretty obvious that the judge here is trying to boost Brown for personal reasons - but one that illustrates it.

Anyway, pretty obvious that "blue no matter who" applies only when there's any danger of a Republican getting elected. If AOC lost a primary in her district and ran as a WF nominee most Democrats wouldn't care. In this case, there's no danger of a Republican getting elected, so everyone should support whoever is closer to them ideologically. Very easy. I personally support Brown because I believe a far-left movement is a danger to several of my policy priorities. If this was, say, a race for a relatively swingy House seat I'd be with you in attacking Brown for trying to derail the Democratic nominee.

It's not the fact that you're not voting blue no matter who - it's the hypocrisy that gets me. I find it funny that now that the Democratic nominee isn't ideologically aligned with them, the centrists here are suddenly making excuses on how they just can't support the nominee that voters chose.

If it's a leftist that wins the nomination through sheer gumption, suddenly a do-over of the primary is okay and when the Democrat's in danger of losing, they can't support them because they're Too Far Left. Sore loser campaigns and corrupt activist rulings are fine, because they boost their candidate. But of course, when the left does the same thing you're doing here, they get blamed for why Democrats lose.

I don't want "vote blue no matter who" to be a thing. That's why I have my views. I just want things to be applied evenly, which as we know from the Bernie Bro debacle, the Democratic Party doesn't do.

Was excited to get a Democrat in office but that's clearly not the case here! "Vote blue no matter who" only applies to leftist voters and doesn't apply to leftist candidates. If Bernie or the Squad did this they'd be crucified. What a f**king joke this sh*t is.

Byron Brown is a Democrat.  Funny to see you melting down over this though.

I'm also curious what VBNMWEB did to become your new target.  It's sad but funny that you always use your screen name to attack your enemy of the month.

Bill Gardner is a Democrat too.

(FTR, I have nothing against VBNMWEB. I like the dude. The status is how, given everthing that's transpired here, VBNMW is a BS slogan used to browbeat the left in line.
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« Reply #120 on: September 04, 2021, 01:08:07 PM »

I really don't agree with this. Unless there is some huge scandal that makes the Democratic nominee unacceptable I don't agree with getting ballot access on through the court after losing a primary.

Being a moron is a huge scandal.

Was excited to get a Democrat in office but that's clearly not the case here! "Vote blue no matter who" only applies to leftist voters and doesn't apply to leftist candidates. If Bernie or the Squad did this they'd be crucified. What a f**king joke this sh*t is.

Byron Brown is a Democrat.  Funny to see you melting down over this though.

I'm also curious what VBNMWEB did to become your new target.  It's sad but funny that you always use your screen name to attack your enemy of the month.

That is an opinion and it sure isn't a valid reason to give ballot access to a failed candidate. This sort of post just plays into the conspiracy that the Democratic establishment plots against progressive candidates. In this case it seems as if Republicans are behind this trick and supporting Republican manipulation is moronic.
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« Reply #121 on: September 04, 2021, 02:45:31 PM »

Glad to see the unilateral disarmament is over!
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« Reply #122 on: September 04, 2021, 04:42:43 PM »
« Edited: September 04, 2021, 04:47:27 PM by VBNMW is BS »


Oh please. You couldn't even commit to voting for Biden in 2024. You of all people in this thread don't get to talk - at least MacArthur has been loyal to the party for years!
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« Reply #123 on: September 04, 2021, 07:08:11 PM »


Oh please. You couldn't even commit to voting for Biden in 2024. You of all people in this thread don't get to talk - at least MacArthur has been loyal to the party for years!

It's Q's party now. I can't see myself voting for Republicans any time soon. Besides, Biden's probably not running.

Anyway, after Nina Turner responded to her loss by spending days inciting against American Jews getting involved in politics, her entire wing can go to hell. Walton too.
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« Reply #124 on: September 04, 2021, 07:34:16 PM »
« Edited: September 05, 2021, 01:37:58 PM by VBNMW is BS »


Oh please. You couldn't even commit to voting for Biden in 2024. You of all people in this thread don't get to talk - at least MacArthur has been loyal to the party for years!

It's Q's party now. I can't see myself voting for Republicans any time soon. Besides, Biden's probably not running.

Anyway, after Nina Turner responded to her loss by spending days inciting against American Jews getting involved in politics, her entire wing can go to hell. Walton too.

Very fair point, especially after what happened on January 6th.

But you have to see the absurdity of trying to gatekeep membership of a party that you just committed to less than a year ago, right?

(As an aside, you'd have to argue that whatever "disarmament" ended with Clyburn's endorsement of Shontel Brown. I think we can all agree with that.)
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