Poll: Most Americans reject validity of 2020 election audits

[pppolitics]

(CNN) -- Most of the public rejects Republican efforts to audit states' 2020 election results, saying they believe the reviews are an attempt to undermine valid election outcomes, according to a Monmouth University poll released Monday.

A 57% majority of Americans say that, based on what they've heard about the audits conducted or proposed by legislatures in some states, they view them as "partisan efforts to undermine valid election results." Just a third say they see them more as "legitimate efforts to identify potential voting irregularities."

Further, 40% of the public says that such audits will weaken American democracy, while 20% say it will strengthen it. Another 35% expecting them to have no impact.

The problem-ridden audit of Arizona's 2020 election results, which has exasperated even some Republicans in the state, hasn't uncovered evidence suggesting widespread voter fraud. But it has inspired pro-Trump Republicans to push for similar efforts in other states.

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/21/politics/monmouth-poll-election-audits/index.html

[ProudModerate2]

When you see videos and read about the horse-s**t they are doing in Arizona, it's no wonder the number is not higher than 57%.

I mean think about it .... special lighting to see if the paper ballots contain bamboo, or some other markers, that they came from China. Really?

[Nyvin]

A similar trend with polls like this is there's a certain percentage of Americans somewhere in the 38% to 45% range that always are on the side of the utterly ridiculous/crazy/nonsensical and will go to any length to have faith in their conspiracies.

[T'Chenka]

I mean think about it .... special lighting to see if the paper ballots contain bamboo, or some other markers, that they came from China. Really?

This CAN'T be real.

[pbrower2a]

Many election officials are finding it easy to cull voter lists of the deceased (I found that out in 2016, and that had my father cast an absentee ballot in September 2016 before dying in October 2016, then his absentee ballot would have been void in November 2016. The township clerk read the obituaries and struck him from the eligibility list. (If you are voting on behalf of a deceased person you are committing voter fraud).

A paper trail exists between applying to vote at an election, getting a ballot, and dropping the ballot into a tabulating machine. Thus in my precinct 1700 people voting on Election Day should result in roughly 1700 people dropping a ballot into the tabulating device on Election Day. Absentee ballots (of which there are many because this is a rural township with an elderly population) should match reasonably well.

There are certain ways for ballots to reach the election office, such as mail delivery. Delivery by some other source -- let us say someone bringing a suitcase full of ballots -- should be suspect. Such should be perfectly fine cause for instant arrest.       

[ProudModerate2]

I mean think about it .... special lighting to see if the paper ballots contain bamboo, or some other markers, that they came from China. Really?

This CAN'T be real.

The Washington Post:
The great bamboo hunt: Arizona’s bizarre vote-examination effort gets more bizarre.

... “There’s accusations that 40,000 ballots were flown in to Arizona and it was stuffed into the box, okay?” Brakey said. “And it came from the southeast part of the world, Asia, okay? And what they’re doing is to find out if there’s bamboo in the paper.” Because, he added later, “they use bamboo in their paper processing, people in southeast Asia.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/06/great-bamboo-hunt-arizonas-bizarre-vote-examination-effort-gets-more-bizarre/

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

A similar trend with polls like this is there's a certain percentage of Americans somewhere in the 38% to 45% range that always are on the side of the utterly ridiculous/crazy/nonsensical and will go to any length to have faith in their conspiracies.

That's been a thing since Trump gained steam in 2015. It's not a new development, though it used to be around 32-35%

[Calthrina950]

A similar trend with polls like this is there's a certain percentage of Americans somewhere in the 38% to 45% range that always are on the side of the utterly ridiculous/crazy/nonsensical and will go to any length to have faith in their conspiracies.

The higher end of this almost perfectly correlates with the popular vote received by Trump last year and in 2016.

[Yoda]

Polls in 2020 aside from ones like Trafalgar and Big Data were way off. I do not trust Rasmussen but even they had 30% of Dems recognizing the 2020 hoolabaloo and most Americans in agreement. When audits demonstrate the truth plain as day expect that number to rise higher and higher like the Manhattan skyscraper

I don't even think repubs drink the kool-aid anymore. It's just straight 100-proof moonshine at this point.

[Yoda]

A similar trend with polls like this is there's a certain percentage of Americans somewhere in the 38% to 45% range that always are on the side of the utterly ridiculous/crazy/nonsensical and will go to any length to have faith in their conspiracies.

My belief on this phenomenon continues to be that a significant # of Americans (well, trump republicans) are just straight-up lying in these surveys. There have been some doozies in these past years, some I can't recall right now but the one that comes to mind is something like 50% of republicans believing that January 6th was Antifa and BLM in disguise. Bullsh**t. You know how I know that's not true? B/c if they honestly believed that a commission to investigate the January 6th attacks would have been created on January 7th. Similarly, many republicans just lie and say they think Biden is an illegitimate President b/c they know that a very high percentage of Americans saying they think he is illegitimate in polling in itself goes a long way towards making Biden's presidency seem divisive, weak and controversial. These people take their cues from donald trump in every way. Why are we still surprised that they lie as easily as he does on literally everything?

[Hermit For Peace]

Desperate people do desperate things.

[Crumpets]

I have a feeling most Democrats would have been totally on board with the Maricopa audit and confident it would reaffirm a Biden victory, had it been done by competent people. But the Republicans had to go and find the Cyber Ninjas. And after that, there was no chance their audits would be taken seriously by anyone but their own supporters.

[ProudModerate2]

Video: GOP Arizona county official slams election 'audit.'

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/06/22/stephen-richer-arizona-maricopa-country-election-audit-sot-ac-vpx.cnn

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The percentage is a bit high for comfort, but I'm glad these audits are getting the reaction they deserve - scorn, condemnation, and opposition from respectable society.

[pbrower2a]

We have laws determining who wins elections. The results were definitive. Those who dislike the electoral result need to move on and move their focus in life to something else. There's plenty of 'something else' in America, and not all of it is political.

I am amazed that Donald Trump, awful as he was as President, came close to being re-elected... but he didn't.  Yes, he was objectively dreadful. We do not keep rehashing bare wins for one side or the other to determine who 'really won'.

At least 45% of the American public thinks that Donald Trump is wonderful and Joe Biden is horrid -- or vice-versa. That appears as "strongly approve" and "strongly disapprove". Such is the zone in which little to nothing can convince people. "But 74 million"? That was not enough.

We did not have continuing litigation of the 2000 Presidential election, and in view of what happened on  September 11, it is a good thing that we didn't. Dubya may have mishandled and even abused his mandate, but it was best that we changed much that we did. Remember: a commercial jetliner really is an internally-guided missile and potentially a weapon of mass destruction.

Barring a diplomatic or military debacle or an economic meltdown, President Biden has the edge for 2024 due to incumbency. I see Donald Trump as the easiest of potential Republican nominees to defeat. Someone who believes much the same as Trump, that nothing matters except economic gain and that the only reliable measure of economic success is the happiness of shareholders and executive can be assured of a narrow minority in the popular vote.

Trump came close to winning the electoral vote in 2020. To be sure, this was before the the January 6 Putsch. Someone who does not have Trump's ideological baggage will likely do at least as well as Trump in the 2024 Presidential election in the popular vote.

 

       

[MABA 2020]

The numbers that support the audit are still too high

[ProudModerate2]

Here is more video on the "bamboo paper" conspiracy ...

Ballot maker responds to wild conspiracy theory.
https://us.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/06/23/arizona-ballots-audit-lah-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

[Bakersfield Uber Alles]

A similar trend with polls like this is there's a certain percentage of Americans somewhere in the 38% to 45% range that always are on the side of the utterly ridiculous/crazy/nonsensical and will go to any length to have faith in their conspiracies.

Sadly, the Crazification factor seems to have risen from 27%

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

A plurality of Americans supports a review of election results.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Man, I read "Most Americans reject validity of 2020 election..." and was prepared to write a totally different post.