Earliest election where Republicans can win the popular vote?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 01, 2024, 05:12:50 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  Presidential Election Trends (Moderator: 100% pro-life no matter what)
  Earliest election where Republicans can win the popular vote?
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: Earliest election where Republicans can win the popular vote?
#1
2024
 
#2
2028
 
#3
2032
 
#4
2036
 
#5
2040 or later
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 55

Author Topic: Earliest election where Republicans can win the popular vote?  (Read 1568 times)
Ferguson97
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 28,117
United States


P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: June 17, 2021, 07:12:34 PM »

?
Logged
MATTROSE94
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,791
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -6.43

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2021, 07:43:53 PM »

Ron DeSantis could win the popular vote against Kamala Harris in 2024 narrowly. Otherwise probably 2028 or 2032.
Logged
dw93
DWL
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,881
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2021, 07:59:34 PM »

2028. Worst case for the Democrats in 2024 in the PV is Gore 2000 size margin.
Logged
Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom
theflyingmongoose
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,319
Norway


Political Matrix
E: 3.41, S: -1.29

P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2021, 12:40:20 AM »

If we nominate Trump in 2024? Never. The window is closing where we can disassociate from him and still win votes before more people like me (fiscal conservatives who vote for a large amount of Democrats at this point because we hate the f**king culture wars) start to vote.
Logged
Skill and Chance
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,668
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2021, 09:57:27 AM »

2028 if Biden seeks reelection, otherwise 2024 against Harris
Logged
Non Swing Voter
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,169


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2021, 10:18:35 PM »

They can't.  It literally took incumbency + 9/11 for GWB to do it and even then it wasn't that great a popular vote victory, more than half of which came from his home state of Texas.

Earliest election - probably in the 2030's when they are forced to reinvent their party platform from scratch.
Logged
TodayJunior
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,562
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2021, 01:16:35 PM »
« Edited: June 19, 2021, 01:25:16 PM by TodayJunior »

Only when the democrats are disunited and that is unlikely to happen until 2040 or so thanks to trump. For every 1 vote they can gain in places like RGV in Texas, they lose 1.5 in metro Dallas, Atlanta, etc. they are hemorrhaging suburban voters faster than they are gaining in rural parts of the country. I don’t see what the catalyst is to stop it. They’re just screwed.

We know it. They know it. They know we know it. They’re in denial about it.
Logged
Tartarus Sauce
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,357
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2021, 04:38:38 PM »
« Edited: June 20, 2021, 04:44:30 PM by Tartarus Sauce »

Whenever they, as a party, determine that democratic majoritarianism is an ideal to aspire towards again instead of something to fight upstream against through baked in structural powers. They're not interested in appealing to the sensibilities of the majority of Americans because their current modus operandi revolves around narratives as the beleaguered, heroic minority of a fading "authentic" Americanism.
Logged
Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
The Pieman
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,313
Australia


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2021, 10:00:39 PM »

2024.
Democrats have had the advantage in the electoral college as recently as 2012.
Logged
indietraveler
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,039


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2021, 01:03:38 PM »

Outside of some major external event like covid it could be quite a while. I was thinking about this recently - by 2024 we're getting into the portion of gen z that is of voting age AND has not been alive for a popular vote win for the republican party.
Logged
DCUS
Rookie
**
Posts: 71
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2021, 08:47:55 PM »

Ron DeSantis could win the popular vote against Kamala Harris in 2024 narrowly. Otherwise probably 2028 or 2032.
I agree. Harris retains the Democratic NPV advantage, even if the GOP has an Electoral College advantage both relatively (as in more than its NPV disadvantage) and absolutely (as in more likely to win). But I do not know if Harris will learn from the mistakes of her 2020 primary campaign, including focusing too much on identity politics and not providing serious answers to serious questions (like the constitutionality of her gun control proposal and her past as a prosecutor). It is entirely possible for her to blow her NPV advantage.
Logged
DS0816
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,143
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2021, 01:56:56 AM »


The “earliest election [in which] Republicans can win the [U.S. Popular Vote]” is with the next United States presidential election in which the White House switches from the Democratic to the Republican column.
Logged
Mister Mets
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,440
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2021, 05:37:57 AM »

Obviously, the next election is the earliest they can win.

There are other ways to phrase it, like earliest election where Republicans have more than a 1 in 4 chance of winning the popular vote, although even in that case it's probably '24, as it seems likely Democrats will have either an 81 year old running for reelection or an open election with Kamala Harris.
Logged
Crucial_Waukesha
Rookie
**
Posts: 21


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2021, 02:30:41 PM »
« Edited: July 11, 2021, 02:36:35 PM by Crucial_Waukesha »

Republicans have only won the popular presidential vote once since the late 1980's, and even that was 50.7% with a popular incumbent, an overseas war, and in the wake of a traumatic terrorist attack. We're still very much in the age of the GOP getting plurality or minority wins via geographic/EC advantage.

Edit: as far as House GOP vote goes, they've won the popular vote 4 times since 1990: twice in anti-Dem president GOP waves, once in the wake of 9/11, and once with historically low turnout.
Logged
Non Swing Voter
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,169


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2021, 01:42:34 AM »

Side note.  It's pretty insane that Democrats have won the popular vote (often by large margins) in 7 out of the last 8 elections.  Only a 9/11 event could deliver the popular vote to the GOP.  Yet, despite this the GOP has 6 of 9 SCOTUS justices and Democrats can't even get a bill passed to protect its voters right to vote (or at least get it back to where it was before the aforementioned justices gutted the voting rights act). 

And all the while, the GOP somehow complains about Democratic "activist" judges, as if the under qualified people they rammed through aren't activists.  The GOP is just a lot better at politics than Democrats.  If Democrats didn't have a natural 10 million plus constituency advantage they'd be screwed.
Logged
Vosem
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,635
United States


Political Matrix
E: 8.13, S: -6.09

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2021, 04:44:40 PM »

Write-in: 2022.

(You obviously mean presidential election, but presidential nominees are almost always drawn from the pool of politicians that run for lower office. Republicans won the generic House ballot in 2010, 2014, and 2016, and only lost by 3 points in 2020 amidst a pretty bad environment. There's no reason a Generic R couldn't beat a Generic D in the popular vote in 2024.)
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.039 seconds with 14 queries.