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« on: June 13, 2021, 11:54:23 PM »

Both are assumed to be very liberal and generally concerned with social issues. What are the major issues between Gen Z and millenial voters?
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2021, 07:58:49 AM »

Since the polling isn't very insightful from my experience, here are some anecdotal observations I've had that have generally held up.

(Note: not all of these are political. But "politics is downstream from culture" so these may help paint a more accurate picture)

Something I noticed is that many more Gen Z left wingers than millennials have a more "Intersectional" approach to social issues. Race ties into gender, which ties into sexuality and gender identity, which ties into class. Instead of thinking of race and sexual orientation and gender equality as separate spheres. And more of a conciousness in regards to class (as it's a fascet of intersectionality).

Militant Atheism is seen by Gen Z as an outdated 2000s neckbeard ideology. Back in the early 2000s, it was seen as a trendy, hip, lefty thing. But now it's seen by Gen Z as a bunch of smug people who aren't well adjusted. The days of Bush are gone, and society is more secular in general.

The stereotypical hipster male who has a manbun, beard, drinks IPAs, and listens to indie music is a dying breed and isn't really a thing for Gen Z men.

Gen Z people across the board have a more libertarian view of gender norms than millennials do. "Femboys" are a thing for Gen Z, and even if they aren't full fledged femboys, many Gen Z men aren't like "I can't do that girly thing. That'll make me gay". The women are just as "tech nerd" as the guys, with many on platforms like Reddit and Discord.

Lots of Gen Z love hip hop. Even white Gen Z conservatives listen to Hip Hop. The stereotypical music a white middle/upper class Gen Z woman listens to is indie/bedroom pop. So I guess that's an exception.

Lots of Gen Z love anime. No matter their race/gender/politics.

Establishment support seems low across the board. With many right wing Gen Z falling into the Paleoconservative Trump camp and many left wing Gen Z falling into the Bernie/AOC camp.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2021, 08:54:22 AM »

It could just be because Gen Z is still pretty young, but there hasn't been much organizing from them (us, but for the sake of consistency them) yet. Millennials made up a lot of the energy behind the anti-Iraq War protests, Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, the Sanders campaign, the DSA, and the alt-right. We don't see the same organizing from Gen Z (yet? But the oldest is 25). Anecdotally, as a consequence of the Bush years, many more Millennials belong to center-left progressive/democratic socialist/social democratic politics after having been further left as kids. Gen Z seems to be a fairly split between alt-right-influenced and center-left-influenced. They're not a conservative generation as the right hopes, but probably to the right of Millennials.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2021, 09:52:18 AM »
« Edited: June 14, 2021, 09:59:43 AM by Damocles »

It’s also important to note that Zoomers are the first generation not to remember a time before high-speed internet service was commonly available. It’s not unusual for a Zoomer to interact with people across the world, and to see their correspondents as equals. Zoomers also understand the world as a complicated and messy place riddled with ambiguities, and that it’s generally not wise to make judgments or pronouncements before you really know somebody.

At the same time, Zoomers also understand themselves as inheriting their parents’ and grandparents’ mistakes, as well as being burdened with the awesome responsibility of 1) stopping the rot and 2) forging more rational and sane policies. They saw the ineptitude and incompetence of the Trump administration’s handling of the Coronavirus, and believe that truth and respect and integrity are all things worth preserving and defending.

These diametrically opposed forces combine to create a generation of people who are cosmopolitan-minded, yet also firmly patriotic; who are hard-nosed and ruthless, while also calm and patient; who value individual conscience and development, while also valuing group solidarity and collective responsibilities; and who prize skill and competence and wisdom, while matching that with passion and love.

In other words, Boomers were the “f#%k around” generation, Zoomers are the “find out” generation.
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2021, 11:13:20 AM »

It could just be because Gen Z is still pretty young, but there hasn't been much organizing from them (us, but for the sake of consistency them) yet. Millennials made up a lot of the energy behind the anti-Iraq War protests, Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, the Sanders campaign, the DSA, and the alt-right. We don't see the same organizing from Gen Z (yet? But the oldest is 25). Anecdotally, as a consequence of the Bush years, many more Millennials belong to center-left progressive/democratic socialist/social democratic politics after having been further left as kids. Gen Z seems to be a fairly split between alt-right-influenced and center-left-influenced. They're not a conservative generation as the right hopes, but probably to the right of Millennials.

I've noticed alot of Zoomers doing activism stuff.

Regardless, they're more politically minded than millennials, who in contrast were fairly apolitical as teenagers.
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2021, 11:59:12 AM »

I've noticed alot of Zoomers doing activism stuff.

Could you elaborate?
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2021, 12:14:55 PM »


Many things on TikTok.

At the age when Millennial boys were fixating on XTREME SPORTS and Millennial girls were fixating on "like, shopping", left wing Zoomers were claiming tickets to Trump's rally
without going to it in order to mess with the campaigns internal numbers.

Lots of Zoomers matched in the George Floyd Protests.
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2021, 03:41:34 PM »

I have found Gen Z is more issue oriented and less ideological than millennials.  Millennials had a rough start as their careers were starting right when Great Recession hit thus why I think a lot lean left.  Gen Z were still children then so less impacted.  Gen Z I think offers both challenges and opportunities for both parties.  They tend to be more libertarian than millennials so opportunity for GOP, but things like gay marriage, abortion, and other socially conservative stuff is irrelevant to them as those were battles before their time and aren't interested in re-opening them so GOP will flop with them if they focus too much on cultural conservatism.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2021, 04:23:55 PM »

Late Millenials and early Gen-Z were both born in the 90s so I'm not sure how much we can differentiate them, but there undoubtedly is a big gap between Millenials born in the 1980s and Gen Z people born in the 2000s.
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2021, 06:34:08 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2021, 06:49:16 PM by H. Ross Peron »

It could just be because Gen Z is still pretty young, but there hasn't been much organizing from them (us, but for the sake of consistency them) yet. Millennials made up a lot of the energy behind the anti-Iraq War protests, Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, the Sanders campaign, the DSA, and the alt-right. We don't see the same organizing from Gen Z (yet? But the oldest is 25). Anecdotally, as a consequence of the Bush years, many more Millennials belong to center-left progressive/democratic socialist/social democratic politics after having been further left as kids. Gen Z seems to be a fairly split between alt-right-influenced and center-left-influenced. They're not a conservative generation as the right hopes, but probably to the right of Millennials.

I would place the cut-off date for Millennials after 1996. It's pretty clear to me that besides a small far-right element which is probably smaller than the share of say Millennial Republicans a decade ago, most Zoomers are just as left if not more so than than their Millennial elders. After all, Zoomers were politicized from a far earlier date due to the hyper politicization accompanying Trump's election which was only reinforced by the March for our Lives movement, the George Floyd protests etc. Aside from some "Globe Twitter" weirdos on Twitter, I've seen no evidence that Zoomers were any less likely to support Bernie Sanders for President in the 2020 primaries compared to Millennials.

One thing I've noticed for Zoomers is that they are much more likely to not draw a distinction between politics and their personal lives. Millennials might have had their own political opinions and engage in activism but still were friends with conservatives or often took a "live and let live" approach especially during high school. However, Zoomers seem far more concerned with not just condemning racism or sexism in the abstract but using social media to personally denounce supposed bigotry. For example, at my old high school a student who had been posting redpill/MRA type content on social media was reported by other teenagers to the school. I think something like that would have been much less likely to occur when I was in school. I suspect Zoomers are much less likely to countenance friendships with those who have problematic opinions.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2021, 10:07:24 PM »

I am what the media is now referring to as a "geriatric millenial" and I've been teaching middle school for the last 6 years so I feel like I've seen what they are like as young people but I can't say for sure what they will be like as adults.

One major difference I feel like I've noticed is that Gen Z seems to be more empathic and open to accepting people of varied backgrounds.  I think that being raised in the age of social media has taught them that people are icebergs and the part they show you above the surface doesn't always reflect the things they may be dealing with down below.  They realize that everyone has crazy stuff happening in their lives so when someone seems to be acting weird or different it is better to give them the benefit of the doubt instead of ostracizing them.

Another thing I've noticed is that there seems to be more gender equality in their social interactions and expectations of one another.  I feel like mixed gender friend groups are much more common than I remember from when I was the same age.  One thing that particularly struck me this year was that many of my sixth grade students were surprised to learn that Kamala Harris is the first woman ever to be VP.  They just sort of assumed at least some woman had been there before her.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2021, 10:27:18 PM »

It could just be because Gen Z is still pretty young, but there hasn't been much organizing from them (us, but for the sake of consistency them) yet. Millennials made up a lot of the energy behind the anti-Iraq War protests, Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, the Sanders campaign, the DSA, and the alt-right. We don't see the same organizing from Gen Z (yet? But the oldest is 25). Anecdotally, as a consequence of the Bush years, many more Millennials belong to center-left progressive/democratic socialist/social democratic politics after having been further left as kids. Gen Z seems to be a fairly split between alt-right-influenced and center-left-influenced. They're not a conservative generation as the right hopes, but probably to the right of Millennials.

I would place the cut-off date for Millennials after 1996. It's pretty clear to me that besides a small far-right element which is probably smaller than the share of say Millennial Republicans a decade ago, most Zoomers are just as left if not more so than than their Millennial elders. After all, Zoomers were politicized from a far earlier date due to the hyper politicization accompanying Trump's election which was only reinforced by the March for our Lives movement, the George Floyd protests etc. Aside from some "Globe Twitter" weirdos on Twitter, I've seen no evidence that Zoomers were any less likely to support Bernie Sanders for President in the 2020 primaries compared to Millennials.

One thing I've noticed for Zoomers is that they are much more likely to not draw a distinction between politics and their personal lives. Millennials might have had their own political opinions and engage in activism but still were friends with conservatives or often took a "live and let live" approach especially during high school. However, Zoomers seem far more concerned with not just condemning racism or sexism in the abstract but using social media to personally denounce supposed bigotry. For example, at my old high school a student who had been posting redpill/MRA type content on social media was reported by other teenagers to the school. I think something like that would have been much less likely to occur when I was in school. I suspect Zoomers are much less likely to countenance friendships with those who have problematic opinions.
Isn't that just a thing that's spreading to wider society, friendships with those of other politica opinions are on the decline for all generations. How much of that is the result of the fact that they have grown up in a very partisan segergated enviorment. I would wager that schools are probably one of the most politicaly segregated institions in america right next to churches, not only do they have geographic segregation which is extremely strong but private schools and home schooling take away kids from ultra religious families as well as hippy back to nature types.
 

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2021, 11:28:04 PM »

The kids today are light years ahead of where Millennials were 15 years ago. At that time politics consisted of your stance on the Iraq war and Bible thumping. Having a political opinion at all was still considered somewhat hip, but vast swathes of the social landscape were ignored. Today there are a much wider array of social issues being discussed by Zoomers that weren't even paid attention to by us Millennials. In my view Zoomers have really benefited from the more mature social media landscape. A lot of the rough bumps have been smoothed out.

There are cons though, too. The big tech conglomerates have a lot more power over what goes "viral" and the narrative is much more controlled.
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2021, 04:13:30 AM »


Many things on TikTok.

At the age when Millennial boys were fixating on XTREME SPORTS and Millennial girls were fixating on "like, shopping", left wing Zoomers were claiming tickets to Trump's rally
without going to it in order to mess with the campaigns internal numbers.

Lots of Zoomers matched in the George Floyd Protests.

As a millennial, I get the strong sense that we were disenchanted by the "hope and change" of Obama not coming close to fruition. Between Obama's election & the rise of Bernie/Trump, my generation just never cared to follow politics outside of a few choice issues (Namely gay marriage). It's a little better now, but a lot of formative millennial years that could've been spent in the political/activist field were practically wasted. I'm sure the increasingly dour state of the economy & a college tuition played key roles too.

On the contrary. Gen Z feels much more enthused to organize & be outspoken. Whether it's at the Floyd March or for a local campaign, I'm seeing much more 18-21 year olds taking public & leadership initiative. I'm really amazed and a little jealous how much more politically active my younger cohorts have been. 10 years later, my old high school now has a Young Democrats club. I never would've envisioned even 5 of my peers wanting to take time away from lunch to discuss campaigns.
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2021, 10:11:35 AM »

Another thing I've noticed is that there seems to be more gender equality in their social interactions and expectations of one another.  I feel like mixed gender friend groups are much more common than I remember from when I was the same age.  One thing that particularly struck me this year was that many of my sixth grade students were surprised to learn that Kamala Harris is the first woman ever to be VP.  They just sort of assumed at least some woman had been there before her.

Anecdotally, this is true! From my perspective, there are some women whom I’m friendly with, but not sexual or romantic with. I understand relationships as having many different components that can interlace, and it’s not a binary on-off switch. Relationships are more a dialogue between two people that evolves over time as each person contributes something. If there’s a break, you pick up where you last left off.

This is how some girls can be seen as “just one of the boys”, even if none of the guys in the group want anything sexual from her. Sure, that can and does happen, but it isn’t universal.
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2021, 10:16:47 AM »

On the contrary. Gen Z feels much more enthused to organize & be outspoken. Whether it's at the Floyd March or for a local campaign, I'm seeing much more 18-21 year olds taking public & leadership initiative. I'm really amazed and a little jealous how much more politically active my younger cohorts have been. 10 years later, my old high school now has a Young Democrats club. I never would've envisioned even 5 of my peers wanting to take time away from lunch to discuss campaigns.
Yes. Anecdotally, there has been a lot more interest in political ideology and orienting one’s self in the world. For all the memetic fracturing that does happen when becoming ideological, there are also many millions of Zoomers trying to learn the arts of rhetoric, speech, and relationship-building - all of which are critical to political candidacies.

There’s no reason that you, conceivably, couldn’t participate in party politics and maybe jump into the ring yourself. After all, that’s what Run For Something is for - it’s designed to help younger, Zoomer candidates learn the ropes of politics, and get the mentorship they need to occupy that position of power.
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2021, 11:23:17 AM »
« Edited: June 17, 2021, 11:27:38 AM by UNBEATABLE TITAN WAYNE MESSAM »

One thing I've noticed for Zoomers is that they are much more likely to not draw a distinction between politics and their personal lives. Millennials might have had their own political opinions and engage in activism but still were friends with conservatives or often took a "live and let live" approach especially during high school. However, Zoomers seem far more concerned with not just condemning racism or sexism in the abstract but using social media to personally denounce supposed bigotry. For example, at my old high school a student who had been posting redpill/MRA type content on social media was reported by other teenagers to the school. I think something like that would have been much less likely to occur when I was in school. I suspect Zoomers are much less likely to countenance friendships with those who have problematic opinions.

I think you overestimate how concerned with politics and the opinions of others Gen Z is. Maybe the politicization level is slightly heightened among our generation compared to previous generations when they were our age, but by and large, the main reason people use YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Reddit etc. isn't (believe it or not) to share info on political candidates and "cancel" others, but to laugh, have fun, much more lighthearted stuff (at least this is what I and most people I know IRL do). If you watch more political stuff, you end up with more content geared to you, and if you pay attention to it more, you'll likely be more likely to notice it when people do talk about politics and their opinions, but I wouldn't take that level of politicization as being representative of the wider world. It isn't like we use opinions as a greeting or anything ("Hey man it's good to meet you, now tell me what do you think about Trump?"  Angry ).

Another important factor that's being underlooked is that this polarization probably has something to do with less and less people these days living in politically heterogeneous areas.

I am a high schooler who lives in an area which was once virtually entirely Democratic. My area, though, has taken a hard turn to the right over the last decade, bringing it to maybe 60-40 these days. In my area, while it once was much easier to have no friends who leaned Conservatively or to the Republicans, today that is not the case. If you decided to filter out people (who barring politics might be great matches) then you'd have to consistently ignore a very large segment of the population. This is something that is very difficult to do. Moreover, more exposure to people who are different and believe different things than you increases your tolerance level (this is generally true for all things). It makes you more likely to realize that there are great people and lunatics of all races, religions, political beliefs etc. out there.

I would argue that the last sentence that you mention especially (less and less people having countenance friendships with those of problematic opinions) has probably less to do with our generation being wildly different as a whole and more to do with less exposure to others and most people living in places that are becoming more skewed in favor of one political direction.


Many things on TikTok.

At the age when Millennial boys were fixating on XTREME SPORTS and Millennial girls were fixating on "like, shopping", left wing Zoomers were claiming tickets to Trump's rally
without going to it in order to mess with the campaigns internal numbers.

Lots of Zoomers matched in the George Floyd Protests.

As a millennial, I get the strong sense that we were disenchanted by the "hope and change" of Obama not coming close to fruition. Between Obama's election & the rise of Bernie/Trump, my generation just never cared to follow politics outside of a few choice issues (Namely gay marriage). It's a little better now, but a lot of formative millennial years that could've been spent in the political/activist field were practically wasted. I'm sure the increasingly dour state of the economy & a college tuition played key roles too.

On the contrary. Gen Z feels much more enthused to organize & be outspoken. Whether it's at the Floyd March or for a local campaign, I'm seeing much more 18-21 year olds taking public & leadership initiative. I'm really amazed and a little jealous how much more politically active my younger cohorts have been. 10 years later, my old high school now has a Young Democrats club. I never would've envisioned even 5 of my peers wanting to take time away from lunch to discuss campaigns.

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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2021, 01:26:25 AM »

Same politics, Gen Z just cares more.  Millennials as a generation have not been as engaged, which has allowed Boomers to wreak havoc on this country to an absurd degree.
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2021, 11:01:06 AM »

Too early to say with Zoomers what will and won’t be lasting traits, but there are definitely major differences between older and younger millennials once you get past the basic, surface-level stuff like “are you a Democrat/liberal or a Republican/conservative.”  For example, older millennials tend to be far more hawkish than younger millennials (relatively speaking).
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2021, 07:16:42 AM »

Late Millenials and early Gen-Z were both born in the 90s so I'm not sure how much we can differentiate them, but there undoubtedly is a big gap between Millenials born in the 1980s and Gen Z people born in the 2000s.
I think that’s a more valid comparison given I am at the cusp. Like the difference between Keira Knightley  and Millie Bobbie Brown (to name two famous people born in non adjacent decades). The former graduated before the latter was even born.
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2021, 08:39:43 AM »

I'm a little puzzled at the "Zoomers care about politics while millennials don't takes". I'm old enough to remember the same takes being written with millennials as the enthusiasts and Gen X as the apathetic ones.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2021, 08:58:46 AM »

I'm a little puzzled at the "Zoomers care about politics while millennials don't takes". I'm old enough to remember the same takes being written with millennials as the enthusiasts and Gen X as the apathetic ones.
Same. Remember when Millennials were all out protesting the Iraq War and mobilizing opposition to Bush on social media?
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2021, 09:40:47 AM »

I'm a little puzzled at the "Zoomers care about politics while millennials don't takes". I'm old enough to remember the same takes being written with millennials as the enthusiasts and Gen X as the apathetic ones.

Same. Remember when Millennials were all out protesting the Iraq War and mobilizing opposition to Bush on social media?

Exactly. This thread is Gen Z patting itself on the back for sharing a political meme on Discord. Once again, as a Gen Z ("zoomer" started as a 4chan thing, it's dumb, I'm not saying it), there are a whole lot of strong political opinions but nothing of substance from those beliefs. Millennials did the legwork and are still doing the legwork.
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2021, 09:52:44 AM »

I'm a little puzzled at the "Zoomers care about politics while millennials don't takes". I'm old enough to remember the same takes being written with millennials as the enthusiasts and Gen X as the apathetic ones.

Same. Remember when Millennials were all out protesting the Iraq War and mobilizing opposition to Bush on social media?

Exactly. This thread is Gen Z patting itself on the back for sharing a political meme on Discord. Once again, as a Gen Z ("zoomer" started as a 4chan thing, it's dumb, I'm not saying it), there are a whole lot of strong political opinions but nothing of substance from those beliefs. Millennials did the legwork and are still doing the legwork.
Gen Z political "activism" to me seems to be mostly settling up a Twitter account with an anime avatar and "they/them~BLM~ACAB" in your bio and then posting about being angry that white pop singers are wearing clothing that is associated with a non-white ethnicity or something along those lines.

Meanwhile Millennials include AOC and made up a lot of the activist core for both of Bernie Sanders' campaigns for example.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2021, 10:04:07 AM »
« Edited: June 21, 2021, 10:26:33 AM by Antarctic-Statism »

Gen Z political "activism" to me seems to be mostly settling up a Twitter account with an anime avatar and "they/them~BLM~ACAB" in your bio and then posting about being angry that white pop singers are wearing clothing that is associated with a non-white ethnicity or something along those lines.

Meanwhile Millennials include AOC and made up a lot of the activist core for both of Bernie Sanders' campaigns for example.

Yeah, and don't get me wrong, it's okay to use the Internet as a medium for some organizing. But the mentality is that "me and my cadre of 4 lunch table friends alone will save the world through ironic memes". That's not organizing. You're not going to get anywhere by doing that. I recognize that some of that is a reaction to the perception that the Millennial right and particularly left sold out to the establishment and became status quo cheerleaders, but Gen Z's refusal to get out there and work with similarly minded people will be their downfall. The anti-social bit is a flaw I recognize I share with a majority of my generation and it's something I'm working on, but the ones who embrace that (for politics at least) are just embarrassing IMO.

Go to any DSA meeting, anti-war march, whatever, it's all a bunch of Yukon Cornelius-looking Millennials.
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