Israel General Discussion: Dawn of the Post-Netanyahu Era

[Velasco]

Sorry for disurbing peace in the Holy Denialist Temple. I wanted to discuss Cuba but...

The dawn of a new era in ethnic cleansing and apartheid (well, not really: business as usual)

https://twitter.com/972mag/status/1419281284715659268?s=19

  On June 1, Israeli settlers attacked the village of Tuba in the occupied West Bank and burned all the hay my family had bought to feed our sheep. Food that was supposed to last a whole year was burned in just two hours. 

Settler violence is only part of the occupation’s colonial strategy to take over our land. The Israeli military demolishes our homes during the day, and the settlers destroy our livelihood during the night.

As I stood there watching the fire, I felt isolated, helpless, and oppressed. While I was relieved that my family was physically safe, we were emotionally devastated. We were terrified. We rushed to stop the fire from spreading to more of the hay, to make sure our children and our sheep were safe, and to try and save what we could (...)   

All hail Mr Natphali Bennett!

[Velasco]

We can discuss the Palestinian Nakba if you please. The creation of a Jewish majority within the territories allocated to Usrael in the partition plan was possible due to a camoaign of ethnic cleansing and intimidation. The partition of the Mandatory Palestine was an imposition of the Zionist movement, while the role of teerorist militias like Irgun was key in the subsequent war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

 The 1948 Palestinian exodus occurred when more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of prewar Palestine's Arab population – fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Palestine war. The exodus was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba, in which between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed and others subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names, and also refers to the wider period of war itself and the subsequent oppression up to the present day.  

The precise number of refugees, many of whom settled in refugee camps in neighboring states, is a matter of dispute but around 80% of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (half of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes. About 250,000–300,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled during the 1947–1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine, before the Israeli Declaration of Independence in May 1948, a fact which was named as a casus belli for the entry of the Arab League into the country, sparking the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

The causes are also a subject of fundamental disagreement among historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre, which caused many to leave out of panic, direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities, the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes, collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders, and an unwillingness to live under Jewish control (...)

The history of the Palestinian exodus is closely tied to the events of the war in Palestine, which lasted from 1947 to 1949, and to the political events preceding it. In September 1949, the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine estimated 711,000 Palestinian refugees existed outside Israel, with about one-quarter of the estimated 160,000 Palestinian Arabs remaining in Israel as "internal refugees".

These "ibternal refugees " or  "Arabs of 1948" were confined in "ghettos" and "concentration camos" by the Israeli government, anticipating a model of relationship that ww can see in the West Bank (incl East Jerusalem) and Gaza nowadays

https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium-when-israel-placed-arabs-in-ghettos-fenced-by-barbed-wire-1.8877340

 The curfew and lockdown imposed in Israel during the coronavirus epidemic may have begun to feel like a faded memory, but few know that many of the country’s citizens endured a similar situation in the past. Then, however, the approach was quite aggressive, with the use of barbed-wire fences and the demarcation of zones that were called ghettos and concentration camps.

The imposition of a curfew and the sequestration of the country’s Arabs began immediately after Israeli forces, during the 1948 War of Independence, conquered cities that were either Arab or mixed (Arab-Jewish) in their makeup. The battles left thousands of urban Arab residents under Jewish control. The majority of the Arabs did not take an active part in the war, and those who remained in the cities constituted a small fraction of a defeated population – weak, without representation and frightened. The long months following the conquest of the cities in mid-1948 were a test in miniature of the future relations of the two peoples who shared the country.

In Haifa, which was conquered in April 1948, no more than 3,500 Arabs remained out of a population of close to 70,000 Arabs that had resided there a short time before. Jaffa, which surrendered to the Jewish forces on May 13, had a similar prewar Arab population, of whom only 4,000 were left. Of the 35,000 residents of Ramle and Lod, both of them Arab locales, about 2,000 remained after the Israeli conquest in July 1948. In other cities taken by the Israeli forces – such as Tiberias, Safed, Beisan (Beit She’an) and Be’er Sheva – no Arabs remained. Within a short time, the vast majority (85 percent) of the 160,000 Arabs who remained in the rest of Israel’s territory at the end of the war found themselves under military rule, subjected to permanent curfew and a strict regime that demanded authorizations and permits for movement (...)  

[Velasco]

Strewth, are you still banging on about this?

Is that addressed to Velasco or "Jolly Slugg"? Both of their most recent contributions to this thread are veering close to semantic satiation, although Jolly Slugg is probably the worse offender.

Sorry if posting about settler and state violence offends you, but I don't admit moral equidistance on these topics. If you opt for denialism, that's your problem. Occupation, violence and discrimination are key elements of the Israeli state and its politics

On the other hand, you were posting about Israel and UK Labour in the wrong thread.  If you love to discuss Israel related topics this is the place

[Velasco]

Strewth, are you still banging on about this?

Is that addressed to Velasco or "Jolly Slugg"? Both of their most recent contributions to this thread are veering close to semantic satiation, although Jolly Slugg is probably the worse offender.

Sorry if posting about settler and state violence offends you,

It's not that the subject offends me; it's the constant drumbeat of the same points being made over and over and over again. One of the most soul-crushing things about ~The Conflict~ is that so little ever fundamentally changes in it that there's never any need for new talking points to discuss new aspects of what's happening. So we're left with relitigating the late 1940s using lines of argument that are older than my parents.

On the other hand, you were posting about Israel and UK Labour in the wrong thread.  If you love to discuss Israel related topics this is the place

I do love to discuss Israel-related topics, so, on a somewhat related note, does anyone have updates on Ra'am and whether or not they've resumed participating in Knesset business?

Israel related topics include settler and state violence, sorry. These things are happening now, as well as other inhumane acts which relate to structutal violence and the very essence of the Israeli state. As for the Grand Mufti affairs, ask "Jolly Slugg" why is he intriducing this topic in a Cuba related thread

[Velasco]

Present day Israel is discussing Ben & Jerry. The Pegasus affair is more serious, but nobody cares. Needless to say the West Bank is annexed de facto and most Israel MKs call it "Judea and Samaria". Who said "conflict"?

https://twitter.com/MairavZ/status/1420344436341579777?s=19

[Velasco]

Strewth, are you still banging on about this?

Is that addressed to Velasco or "Jolly Slugg"? Both of their most recent contributions to this thread are veering close to semantic satiation, although Jolly Slugg is probably the worse offender.

Sorry if posting about settler and state violence offends you, but I don't admit moral equidistance on these topics. If you opt for denialism, that's your problem. Occupation, violence and discrimination are key elements of the Israeli state and its politics

On the other hand, you were posting about Israel and UK Labour in the wrong thread.  If you love to discuss Israel related topics this is the place

Worry about Spanish settlers in Al-Andalus first.

Stop with your strawmen and ignorant remarks, please

[Velasco]

and most Israel MKs call it "Judea and Samaria". Who said "conflict"?

Maybe because it's a geographically accurate name, and the original name of the region to boot?

 "Judea and Samaria" must be some biblical reference.

 Apartheid Israel hates geography