Israel General Discussion: Dawn of the Post-Netanyahu Era

[JimJamUK]

What’s the view of the Russian-Israeli population on the current conflict and Putin more generally?

[America Needs R'hllor]

What’s the view of the Russian-Israeli population on the current conflict and Putin more generally?

From my experience, the war really harmed Putin's image in that community. He used to be very popular because he pushes all the right patriarchal masculine strongman buttons for these people, but now the camp seems split in 3: people who support Ukraine and are very anti-Putin, people who claim that don't support the war but muddy the water by claiming that everything is fake news and we don't know what's actually going on, and people who parrot Kremlin propaganda. I'm not sure what's the size of each camp, but from people I personally know, I'd say the first and second are bigger.

Non-Russian Russian-speakers, like Ukrainian and Belarusian Israelis, are overwhelmingly anti-Putin.

[America Needs R'hllor]

In other news, FM Lapid had a very strong success with the "Negev Summit" he organized with Secretary Blinken and the FMs of Egypt, UAE, Bahrein and Morocco. They decided to hold the summit annualy and generally projected a very positive relationship.

[CumbrianLefty]

What’s the view of the Russian-Israeli population on the current conflict and Putin more generally?

From my experience, the war really harmed Putin's image in that community. He used to be very popular because he pushes all the right patriarchal masculine strongman buttons for these people, but now the camp seems split in 3: people who support Ukraine and are very anti-Putin, people who claim that don't support the war but muddy the water by claiming that everything is fake news and we don't know what's actually going on, and people who parrot Kremlin propaganda. I'm not sure what's the size of each camp, but from people I personally know, I'd say the first and second are bigger.

Non-Russian Russian-speakers, like Ukrainian and Belarusian Israelis, are overwhelmingly anti-Putin.

In other words "I'm opposed but - for varying reasons - don't want to actually admit it".

[America Needs R'hllor]

F**k.

[OSR stands with Israel]

F**k.

Is it possible for there to be a government to be reformed without an election

[Hnv1]

F**k.

Is it possible for there to be a government to be reformed without an election

Yes. And I think it is likelier than elections.
Gantz would be PM with the opposition and half of Yamina backing him

UTJ publish an announcement for a new government headed by whomever than a new election.

[Hnv1]

Nir Orbach (Yamina) is also heading out. Now the question is how risk averse is Bibi. Going to elections make Lapid the interim PM immediately, for unknown period. Making Gantz PM will be at the cost of him out of cabinet

[crals]

What happened?

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

In the event of another election, would Bibi’s trials be paused or sentencing delayed? If so, would this have to happen during the campaign or afterwards?

[CumbrianLefty]

What happened?

Yes, a summary would be appreciated

[Hnv1]

What happened?

The coalition whip, MK Idit Silman, defected this morning to the opposition on the grounds of "Horowitz decision to let people bring in Hametz to hospitals during passover."

That's of course BS, as it's not Horowitz's decision but rather a SC ruling. nonetheless, the coalition now lost its majority

[Hnv1]

In the event of another election, would Bibi’s trials be paused or sentencing delayed? If so, would this have to happen during the campaign or afterwards?

No to both.

Though if he wins a majority you can expect a very urgent coup against the AG and an end to the trial.

[Hnv1]

I think that at least until May 9 when the Knesset reconvenes the government is safe. On the other hand, I can't see them working with a minority government and confidence and supply with the JL for more than a week.

Gantz and Bibi would have to decide how much they hate each other and Bennett and Lapid respectively

[America Needs R'hllor]

What happened?

The coalition whip, MK Idit Silman, defected this morning to the opposition on the grounds of "Horowitz decision to let people bring in Hametz to hospitals during passover."

That's of course BS, as it's not Horowitz's decision but rather a SC ruling. nonetheless, the coalition now lost its majority

Remember when Yuli Edlestein refused to comply with a SC ruling and faced no consequence? Yeah...

[Hnv1]

What happened?

The coalition whip, MK Idit Silman, defected this morning to the opposition on the grounds of "Horowitz decision to let people bring in Hametz to hospitals during passover."

That's of course BS, as it's not Horowitz's decision but rather a SC ruling. nonetheless, the coalition now lost its majority

Remember when Yuli Edlestein refused to comply with a SC ruling and faced no consequence? Yeah...

Not sure I followed you there Mrs. Michaeli. Edelstein was removed from his position so a vote could be held on the spot (the court couldn't hold him in contempt anyhow).
Also in this case the court verdict is addressed to hospitals, not the government. Horowitz merely reminded hospital chiefs of it, same as last year under...Edelstein.

Read her interview with Guntazh in Haaretz. she most definitely doesn't know what she's talking about

[America Needs R'hllor]

What happened?

The coalition whip, MK Idit Silman, defected this morning to the opposition on the grounds of "Horowitz decision to let people bring in Hametz to hospitals during passover."

That's of course BS, as it's not Horowitz's decision but rather a SC ruling. nonetheless, the coalition now lost its majority

Remember when Yuli Edlestein refused to comply with a SC ruling and faced no consequence? Yeah...

Not sure I followed you there Mrs. Michaeli. Edelstein was removed from his position so a vote could be held on the spot (the court couldn't hold him in contempt anyhow).
Also in this case the court verdict is addressed to hospitals, not the government. Horowitz merely reminded hospital chiefs of it, same as last year under...Edelstein.

Read her interview with Guntazh in Haaretz. she most definitely doesn't know what she's talking about

Oh I agree. My point was that after Edlestein very publicly defied a SC ruling, I feel like it opened the door for further contempt of the SC's decisions.

[Hnv1]

What happened?

The coalition whip, MK Idit Silman, defected this morning to the opposition on the grounds of "Horowitz decision to let people bring in Hametz to hospitals during passover."

That's of course BS, as it's not Horowitz's decision but rather a SC ruling. nonetheless, the coalition now lost its majority

Remember when Yuli Edlestein refused to comply with a SC ruling and faced no consequence? Yeah...

Not sure I followed you there Mrs. Michaeli. Edelstein was removed from his position so a vote could be held on the spot (the court couldn't hold him in contempt anyhow).
Also in this case the court verdict is addressed to hospitals, not the government. Horowitz merely reminded hospital chiefs of it, same as last year under...Edelstein.

Read her interview with Guntazh in Haaretz. she most definitely doesn't know what she's talking about

Oh I agree. My point was that after Edlestein very publicly defied a SC ruling, I feel like it opened the door for further contempt of the SC's decisions.

Well we have a long history with that...ask the residents of Biram and Tikrit whom the SC ruled the IDF should allow to return to their homes in 1951 and are still waiting.

[lfromnj]

Israel is just making up for lack of elections in the middle east.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Nasty little pieces of work randomly killing people in Israel.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-08/israeli-forces-shoot-dead-palestinian-after-tel-aviv-bar-attack/100978996

[NewYorkExpress]

With Ramadan, Easter and Passover occurring at the same time, it was assumed there would be violence in Jerusalem. In the aftermath of that violence, Raam has suspended participation in the government.

Clashes around Jerusalem’s Old City during the rare confluence of Ramadan, Passover and Easter stoked fears of more widespread violence and threatened to fracture Israel’s fragile governing coalition Monday.

The coalition’s single Israeli Palestinian party announced it was temporarily suspending its participation in the alliance in protest of police actions against protesters at al-Aqsa Mosque in recent days and of escorting Jewish worshipers onto the site.

The party’s move is largely symbolic because the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, is not in session. But the coalition, which includes members from the right and left wings of Israeli politics, was already on the brink of collapse after a conservative lawmaker defected this month, leaving it without an outright majority. Political observers said the government will remain in a precarious position as it strains to keep calm amid the masses of Muslim, Jewish and Christian pilgrims pouring into the city’s ancient core.

I would say Raam is in deep trouble because if they don't bring down the coalition, Israel's Arab population is going to largely regard them as traitors and they will be swept out of the Knesset altogether. If they do, we go to elections again, and Benjamin Netanyahu likely will lead Likud to a governing coalition and become Prime Minister again.

[CumbrianLefty]

Which is why, ideally, elections need to be put off until Bibi is jailed.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Hitler had Jewish origins according to Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-03/israel-russia-sergei-lavrov-zelenskyy-moscow/101032388

A bit full on.

[Hnv1]

MK Zoabi (Meretz) announced she removes the whip so the coalition is now officially in a minority of 50 MKs.

Elections aren't already on the cards but the clock is ticking.

[Hnv1]

A nice blast from the past I saw on Twitter, a poll for PM fit from June 1994. Bear in mind polling in Israel then was relatively unprofessional and inadequate statistically.

Who's most fit to be PM?
Everyone: Rabin 29.8%, Netanyahu 14.3%, Peres 8%, Ramon 4.3%, Sharon 3.9%, no one 22%, other 14.3%, Eitan (Raful) 4.3%
Labour voters: Rabin 47.2%, Netanyahu 5.7%, Peres 12.3%, Ramon 5.2%, Sharon 3.3%, no one 18.9%, others 6.6%,Raful 0.9%
Likud voters: Rabin 8.4%, Netanyahu 36.1%, Peres 2.5%, Ramon 0.8%, Sharon 6.7%, no one 21%, others 21.9%, Raful 2.5%
Meretz voters: Rabin 43.6%, Netanyahu 2.6%, Peres 20.5%, Ramon 12.8%, Sharon 0%, no on 12.8%, others 7.7%, Raful 0%
Tzomet voters: Rabin 25%, Netanyahu 16.7%, Perets 0%, Ramon 2.8%, Sharon 0% no one 16.75%, others 11.1%, Raful 27.8%