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« on: June 11, 2021, 10:43:41 AM »

Is he a DINO?
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2021, 10:46:02 AM »
« Edited: June 11, 2021, 01:58:36 PM by Geoffrey Howe »

From what I can tell, except for climate change, he believes what the Democrats did about five years ago.

Why else would he be elected as a Democrat? It’d be much easier to be elected in West Virginia as a Republican (look what the Governor did).
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2021, 10:47:23 AM »

Yes, he has routinely expressed faith in a demonstrably false narrative that Republicans believe in democracy. He does so at the expense of both the Democratic Party's ability to build a narrative to win elections as well as the health of our democracy itself. Even if he does end up voting for *most* of the Democratic agenda, it is not nearly enough to make up for the grandstanding he regularly does to undermine Democratic unity and the serious nature of the legislation we have to pass.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2021, 11:14:39 AM »

Somewhat yes; more importantly, he's being completely delusional about the state of governing system and the GOP' (un)willingness to make any serious and rational progress on the major issues facing this country.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2021, 11:31:52 AM »

Somewhat yes; more importantly, he's being completely delusional about the state of governing system and the GOP' (un)willingness to make any serious and rational progress on the major issues facing this country.

He's not delusional. He knows what he says is bullsh**t. But he uses identical talking points to far-right organizations like Americans for Prosperity like "voter protection laws are too partisan" after he receives a hefty donation from them.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2021, 11:38:44 AM »

His true problem is that he's corrupt. For example, his recent vote against the $15 minimum wage was not because his constituents were opposed to it (in fact, 63% of West Virginians support this measure), but because he received donations from the restaurant lobby to oppose it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2021, 11:38:59 AM »

Yes. The exact nuances of his voting record mean less than nothing, if you support the filibuster, you support Mitch McConnell having unchecked control over the Senate indefinitely
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2021, 12:27:39 PM »

His true problem is that he's corrupt. For example, his recent vote against the $15 minimum wage was not because his constituents were opposed to it (in fact, 63% of West Virginians support this measure), but because he received donations from the restaurant lobby to oppose it.

Oh I see, one can only be opposed to increasing the minimum wage if paid to oppose it. It's just impossible to have good-faith criticisms of it.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2021, 01:09:34 PM »

No, he is genuinely a Democrat. His voting record is left of center. For his first nine years in the Senate (2011 to 2019, inclusive) he has averaged 57.2% from Americans for Democratic Action. For his first ten years in the Senate he has averaged 26.5% from American Conservative Union. So he votes with liberals a little more than twice as often as he votes with conservatives.

Yes. The exact nuances of his voting record mean less than nothing, if you support the filibuster, you support Mitch McConnell having unchecked control over the Senate indefinitely

Or maybe Manchin believes that having the filibuster may be important for Democrats when Republicans retake majority control of the Senate again.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2021, 01:47:41 PM »

Yes. The exact nuances of his voting record mean less than nothing, if you support the filibuster, you support Mitch McConnell having unchecked control over the Senate indefinitely

Or maybe Manchin believes that having the filibuster may be important for Democrats when Republicans retake majority control of the Senate again.
Damn, you must have an even lower opinion of him than I do if you think he's that stupid
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2021, 02:50:05 PM »

His true problem is that he's corrupt. For example, his recent vote against the $15 minimum wage was not because his constituents were opposed to it (in fact, 63% of West Virginians support this measure), but because he received donations from the restaurant lobby to oppose it.

Oh I see, one can only be opposed to increasing the minimum wage if paid to oppose it. It's just impossible to have good-faith criticisms of it.

Well, either that or mind-numbing stupidity.
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2021, 12:00:21 AM »

No, not quite - that's former Representative Collin Peterson (D-MN). Manchin is fairly centre-left on guns (see the Manchin-Toomey bill and his statment that 'due process is what's killing us right now), and mixed on abortion (fine by me). On the other hand, he supports a wall on the southern border, something even some GOP members oppose (!!). He's liberalized somewhat on LGBT+ rights over time. On the environment, he's a Republican - his first bill in the Senate was to combat "overreach" from the EPA, and he supports the Keystone Pipeline. . He's basically a centrist on guns, abortion and LGBT+ rights ("culture war" issues that have his constituents riled up), but is a conservative on immigration and the environment. He's a liberal on....basically nothing. But that's not what a DINO is. Manchin fundamentally thinks like a liberal (on what, I don't know) - if he were a politically ambitious politician, he would have become a Republican for sheer political expedience (like Jim Justice). He'll probably lose reelection in 2024 if he runs as a Democrat. Yes, he's conservative on some issues, and a centrist on most others, but there are reasons (unknown to me) he's a Democrat, fundamental reasons - because if they weren't, he would have switched parties by the time Trump carried WV by 40% in 2016. I think he'd be best off as an Independent, personally.
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