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« on: June 10, 2021, 05:46:17 PM »

What election matchups do you think we were robbed of having. The first matchup that comes to my mind is Trump and Sanders in 2016, as a recent example. Both Trump and Sanders were seen as complete jokes by the establishments of their associated parties when they began their campaigns, but would instead shake the establishment to the core, usher in the new movements that are becoming increasingly influential and powerful in this country(at the moment), and even win the nomination and essentially take over the party, in Trump's case. But I feel Sanders would've been more interesting than Clinton, not because I necessarily like him, but he was starting a populist movement, like Trump at the time, had his loyal base, like Trump, and was also fairly polarizing, like Trump. What are other matchups that comes to the top of your head?
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2021, 06:54:09 PM »

Sometimes I imagine an alternate-universe 1976 where Frank Church wipes the floor with Reagan and I cry a little.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2021, 07:26:37 PM »
« Edited: June 10, 2021, 07:43:11 PM by darklordoftech »

Teddy Roosevelt vs. William Jennings Bryan

Lyndon Johnson vs. Nixon

McGovern vs. Goldwater

McGovern vs. Reagan

Obama vs. Trump

Hillary Clinton vs. Gingrich

Biden vs. HW Bush

Gore vs. HW Bush

Gary Hart (no Donna Rice scandal) vs. HW Bush

Jesse Jackson vs. Pat Robertson

Biden vs. W Bush

Gore vs. McCain

Bill Bradley vs. McCain
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2021, 09:04:57 PM »

I don't know if this counts, but I would've loved to see a scenario where Lee Atwater doesn't die of brain cancer in 1991 and we get a Atwater run Bush campaign vs. a Carville run Clinton campaign.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2021, 09:54:02 PM »

Donald Trump vs Michael Avenatti in a scenario where COVID never occurs would have been a hilarious Presidential election.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2021, 01:20:07 AM »

Hillary Clinton vs. Chris Christie (no Bridgegate)

Biden vs. Chris Christie (no Bridgegate)
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2021, 01:49:44 AM »

Bobby vs Tricky Dick 68
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2021, 01:49:58 AM »
« Edited: June 11, 2021, 01:53:46 AM by brucejoel99 »

Not including repeats of any hitherto aforementioned match-ups:

1964: JFK vs. Goldwater

1968: Bobby vs. Nixon, Teddy Kennedy vs. Nixon

1972: Nixon vs. Muskie, Nixon vs. Humphrey (1968 re-match), Nixon vs. Teddy Kennedy (especially in an alternate timeline in which this is a 1968 re-match)

1976: Reagan vs. Carter (ok, we technically got this in real life too, but this one would see different dynamics at play), Ford vs. Teddy Kennedy, Reagan vs. Teddy Kennedy, Ford vs. Humphrey, Reagan vs. Humphrey, Ford vs. Scoop Jackson, Reagan vs. Scoop Jackson

1980: Carter vs. Poppy Bush, Carter vs. Ford (1976 re-match)

1984: Reagan vs. Hart, Reagan vs. Carter (1980 re-match)

1988: Poppy Bush vs. Mario Cuomo

1992: Poppy Bush vs. Mario Cuomo (especially in an alternate timeline in which this is a 1988 re-match)

NY-SEN 2000: Hillary vs. Giuliani

2004: W. vs. Gore (2000 re-match), W. vs. Dean

2008: McCain vs. Hillary, Giuliani vs. Hillary (especially in an alternate timeline in which this is a NY-SEN 2000 re-match)

2012: Hillary vs. Romney (in an alternate timeline in which Hillary won the nomination in 2008)

2016: Hillary vs. Jeb!, Obama vs. Trump (in an alternate timeline in which Hillary won the nomination in 2008)

FL-GOV 2018: Gwen Graham vs. DeSantis

2020: Trump vs. Hillary (2016 re-match)
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2021, 03:30:03 AM »
« Edited: June 11, 2021, 08:52:27 AM by BigVic »

1964 - JFK vs Goldwater

1968 - RFK vs Nixon

1988 - George Bush vs John Glenn

1996 - George Bush vs Bill Clinton (no Perot)

2000 - John McCain vs Al Gore

2004 - George W Bush vs Al Gore rematch

2016 - Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton

2020 - Clinton vs Trump rematch.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2021, 07:27:34 AM »

1964 - JFK vs Goldwater

1968 - RFK vs Nixon

1988 - George Bush vs John Glenn

1996 - George Bush vs Bill Clinton (no Perot)

2000 - John McCain vs Al Gore

2004 - George W Bush vs Al Gore rematch

2016 - Chris Christie vs Hillary Clinton

2020 - Clinton vs Trump rematch.


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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2021, 12:43:47 PM »

1988 - Bush Sr vs Hart (no scandal)

1992 - Bush Sr vs Clinton vs Perot (no early drop out)

2004 - Dubya vs Gore 2

2008 - McCain vs Clinton

2012 - Obama vs Trump

2016 - Trump vs Sanders

2020 - Trump vs Clinton 2
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2021, 07:57:46 PM »

The elections might have happened - I wouldn't say we were robbed necessarily in every one of these cases but they are scenarios that once could have been possible - just going back to 2000 for now

2020 - Bernie Sanders (D) vs. Donald Trump (R)
Biden doesn't run, Bernie gets nomination

2020 - Al Franken (D) vs. Donald Trump (R)
Franken never takes infamous 2006 photo, gets nomination

2016 - Bernie Sanders (D) vs. Donald Trump (R)
Hillary doesn't run, Bernie gets nomination

2012 - Barack Obama (D) vs. Rick Santorum (R)
Romney doesn't run, Santorum gets nomination

2012 - Barack Obama (D) vs. Donald Trump
Romney doesn't run, Trump gets nomination

2008 - Hillary Clinton (D) vs. John McCain (R)
Obama doesn't run, Hillary gets nomination

2004 - Howard Dean (D) vs. George W. Bush (R)
Kerry doesn't run, Dean gets nomination

2000 - Al Gore (D) vs. John McCain (R)
Bush doesn't run, McCain gets nomination
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2021, 02:57:09 PM »
« Edited: June 13, 2021, 05:35:50 PM by Alben Barkley »

1912 or 1916: Teddy Roosevelt (as GOP nominee) vs. Wilson

1952: Eisenhower (as Democrat) vs. Robert Taft, George Marshall vs. Eisenhower

1964: JFK vs. Goldwater (chance for a Reagan 84-esque landslide for JFK I think, plus their planned debates could have been interesting)

1968: RFK vs. Nixon, LBJ vs. Nixon (likely would have been the dirtiest campaign in history), Humphrey vs. George Romney or Rockefeller

1972: Nixon vs. George Wallace (if only because the South would have been VERY different), Nixon vs. Humphrey rematch or Muskie, Nixon vs. Scoop Jackson

1976: Carter vs. Reagan early, Scoop Jackson vs. Ford or Reagan, Humphrey vs. Ford or Reagan

1980: Carter vs. Ford rematch, Carter vs. Bush, Ted Kennedy vs. Reagan, Carter vs. Reagan (Anderson endorses Carter)

1984: Gary Hart vs. Reagan

1988: Hart vs. Bush (no scandal), Bentsen vs. Bush, Gore vs. Bush

1992: Bush vs. Clinton (no Perot)

1996: Clinton vs. Gingrich, Clinton vs. Bush rematch, Clinton vs. W. Bush

2000: Gore vs. McCain

2004: Gore vs. Bush rematch, Hillary Clinton vs. Bush, Trump (as Democrat) vs. Bush, Clark vs. Bush

2008: Hillary vs. McCain, Obama vs. Romney early, Hillary vs. Huckabee, Trump (as Democrat) vs. McCain

2012: Obama vs. Gingrich, Obama vs. Santorum, Obama vs. Herman Cain, Obama vs. Trump

2016: Hillary vs. Jeb!, Hillary vs. Kasich, Hillary vs. Ted Cruz, Trump vs. Sanders (would have hated it but interesting to see how left and right populism would collide that year), Biden vs. Trump

2020: Trump vs. Hillary rematch, Trump vs. Cuomo (battle of the New York bastards), Trump vs. Sherrod Brown, Trump vs. McRaven
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2021, 04:36:17 PM »

Dukakis vs. Dole
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2021, 05:47:45 PM »

1972: Nixon (R) vs. George Wallace (D)
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2021, 05:45:18 AM »

Biden v. Trump four years earlier

Biden v. Kasich 2016

Biden v. Rubio 2016

Jeb v. Bloomberg 2016
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2021, 02:25:50 PM »

Clay vs. Calhoun vs. Adams in 1832 would've been fun.
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2021, 04:28:39 PM »

Scoop Jackson v. Reagan in 1976 or 1980
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2021, 08:15:22 PM »

LBJ vs Nixon

RFK vs Nixon

Reagan vs RFK

Bill Clinton vs Reagan

Hillary Clinton vs Gingrich

Sanders vs Trump

Obama vs Trump
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2021, 05:16:30 AM »

1920:  Teddy Roosevelt vs. Woodrow Wilson or William McAdoo (didn't happen because TR passed away)

1948:  Henry Wallace vs. Thomas Dewey (if Wallace had been named FDR's VP for another term in '44)

1964:  Nelson Rockefeller vs. LBJ

1964:  Barry Goldwater vs. JFK

1968:  Richard Nixon vs. RFK

1972:  Richard Nixon vs. Hubert Humphrey (rematch)

1976:  Ronald Reagan vs. Jimmy Carter (four years early)

1984:  Ronald Reagan vs. Gary Hart

1988:  George H.W. Bush vs. Bill Clinton (four years early)

1996:  Colin Powell vs. Bill Clinton

2000:  Elizabeth Dole vs. Al Gore

2004:  George W. Bush vs. Al Gore (rematch)

2008:  Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton

2012:  Newt Gingrich vs. Barack Obama (I think the debates would've been great)

2016:  Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton (in this scenario I can see record low turnout as this is the matchup very few wanted to see but everyone predicted before Trump jumped in)
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2021, 08:20:19 PM »

1968: LBJ vs Nixon

Would have been the dirtiest and most tense election in American history

1980: Ted Kennedy vs Reagan

Ted, without killing his mistress, would have been the toughest Democrat for Reagan

2004: Dubya vs Gore 2.0

Sounds boring, but I'm sure it would have been more tense if they allowed it
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2021, 12:54:18 PM »

1952: Dwight D. Eisenhower as a Democrat vs Robert Taft

1956: Dwight Eisenhower vs. Estes Kefauver

1960: Richard Nixon vs. Hubert Humphrey 8 years earlier

1964: John F. Kennedy vs. Barry Goldwater

1968: Lyndon B. Johnson vs. Richard Nixon with no George Wallace

1972: Richard Nixon vs. Hubert Humphrey rematch

1976: Jimmy Carter vs. President Spiro Agnew

1980: Ted Kennedy vs. Ronald Reagan

1984: Ronald Reagan vs. Jimmy Carter rematch

1988: Mario Cuomo vs. George H.W. Bush

1992: George H.W. Bush vs. Bill Clinton without Ross Perot

1996: Bill Clinton vs. Colin Powell

2000: Al Gore vs. John McCain

2004: George W. Bush vs. Howard Dean

2008: Barack Obama vs Mitt Romney 4 years earlier

2012: Barack Obama vs. Rick Santorum

2016: John Kasich vs. Bernie Sanders

2020: Donald Trump vs. Bernie Sanders
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