Manchin/Sinema are Neville Chamberlain

[Devils30]

The Dems should rewrite HR 1 to something much more realistic. Do nonpartisan redistricting and something on election administration so Trump's shenanigans can't occur again. Forget the campaign finance and the tax return stuff for now....it's not that important any time soon. Revise the late ballot arrival to about 3 days instead of 10 and even a basic voter ID law might be good way to blunt the GOP. Dump the ballot harvesting too, it's unnecessary.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

The Dems should rewrite HR 1 to something much more realistic. Do nonpartisan redistricting and something on election administration so Trump's shenanigans can't occur again. Forget the campaign finance and the tax return stuff for now....it's not that important any time soon. Revise the late ballot arrival to about 3 days instead of 10 and even a basic voter ID law might be good way to blunt the GOP. Dump the ballot harvesting too, it's unnecessary.

And how many Republican votes does that get them? Less than 10?

What the point of ‘compromises’ that don’t get you anything?

[Devils30]

The Dems should rewrite HR 1 to something much more realistic. Do nonpartisan redistricting and something on election administration so Trump's shenanigans can't occur again. Forget the campaign finance and the tax return stuff for now....it's not that important any time soon. Revise the late ballot arrival to about 3 days instead of 10 and even a basic voter ID law might be good way to blunt the GOP. Dump the ballot harvesting too, it's unnecessary.

And how many Republican votes does that get them? Less than 10?

What the point of ‘compromises’ that don’t get you anything?

The current version won't pass the House or the Senate, incumbents don't want government funded AOC's getting matching funds in every district. Campus leftists don't understand the art of realism though, it's all or nothing with them on many issues.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

The Dems should rewrite HR 1 to something much more realistic. Do nonpartisan redistricting and something on election administration so Trump's shenanigans can't occur again. Forget the campaign finance and the tax return stuff for now....it's not that important any time soon. Revise the late ballot arrival to about 3 days instead of 10 and even a basic voter ID law might be good way to blunt the GOP. Dump the ballot harvesting too, it's unnecessary.

And how many Republican votes does that get them? Less than 10?

What the point of ‘compromises’ that don’t get you anything?

The current version won't pass the House or the Senate, incumbents don't want government funded AOC's getting matching funds in every district. Campus leftists don't understand the art of realism though, it's all or nothing with them on many issues.

The current version already passed the house and has 49 co-sponsors in the senate.

Politically savvy realists aren’t interested is what’s actually achievable though, it’s all aesthetic posturing and ego stroking with them.

[Devils30]

The Dems should rewrite HR 1 to something much more realistic. Do nonpartisan redistricting and something on election administration so Trump's shenanigans can't occur again. Forget the campaign finance and the tax return stuff for now....it's not that important any time soon. Revise the late ballot arrival to about 3 days instead of 10 and even a basic voter ID law might be good way to blunt the GOP. Dump the ballot harvesting too, it's unnecessary.

And how many Republican votes does that get them? Less than 10?

What the point of ‘compromises’ that don’t get you anything?

The current version won't pass the House or the Senate, incumbents don't want government funded AOC's getting matching funds in every district. Campus leftists don't understand the art of realism though, it's all or nothing with them on many issues.

The current version already passed the house and has 49 co-sponsors in the senate.

Politically savvy realists aren’t interested is what’s actually achievable though, it’s all aesthetic posturing and ego stroking with them.

The House vote that passed was done with the knowledge that it wouldn't pass the Senate. The redistricting is really the important part of things. Ballot harvesting and late ballot arrivals affect like 0.02% of the vote, focus on the important stuff.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

The Dems should rewrite HR 1 to something much more realistic. Do nonpartisan redistricting and something on election administration so Trump's shenanigans can't occur again. Forget the campaign finance and the tax return stuff for now....it's not that important any time soon. Revise the late ballot arrival to about 3 days instead of 10 and even a basic voter ID law might be good way to blunt the GOP. Dump the ballot harvesting too, it's unnecessary.

And how many Republican votes does that get them? Less than 10?

What the point of ‘compromises’ that don’t get you anything?

The current version won't pass the House or the Senate, incumbents don't want government funded AOC's getting matching funds in every district. Campus leftists don't understand the art of realism though, it's all or nothing with them on many issues.

The current version already passed the house and has 49 co-sponsors in the senate.

Politically savvy realists aren’t interested is what’s actually achievable though, it’s all aesthetic posturing and ego stroking with them.

The House vote that passed was done with the knowledge that it wouldn't pass the Senate. The redistricting is really the important part of things. Ballot harvesting and late ballot arrivals affect like 0.02% of the vote, focus on the important stuff.

If that’s true it can be dealt with in conference committee. Getting through the Senate is all that matters now.

[Benjamin Frank]

The better analogy is the Cold War, as Manchin/Sinema are useful idiots for the Republicans.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The better analogy is the Cold War, as Manchin/Sinema are useful idiots for the Republicans.

Not defender Rs, but with a divided Congress it's hard to everything you want, the Rs had 53/47 votes and the Ds used the Filibuster to block Legislation, so both parties have used it, it just put pressure on D's to keep control of the Trifecta in 2022 which they can with 53 votes and 218 H members, D's need to win OH or NC, since GA is going to a runoff anyways

[ElectionsGuy]

The ironic part about all this is that not abolishing the fillibuster is more likely to hurt Republicans in the medium-term future, not Democrats.

[beesley]

Neville Chamberlain is overhated, though not underrated.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Ds did use the Filibuster during Bush W and Trump administration to stop Legislation but clearly Joe Donnelly should of won in 2018 instead of Manchin, Manchin was SOS and Gov of WVA and voters in 2018 had no idea he was gonna block a D Prez agenda

[R.P. McM]

We’ve seen GOP-leaning states pass continuous voter restrictions for months now. McConnell just killed the January 6th commission. Yet these two are still focused on “muh Bipartisanship” even as we see that the GOP doesn’t care. It’s appeasement at best. Texas Dems just fled as an act of desperation while these two let the GOP block everything. Any way to get these two to change their minds is beyond me.

I think comparing them to Chamberlain is almost an insult to Chamberlain. If we actually look at history, Chamberlain was really actually building up Britain’s military and trying to buy time with appeasement, not just quickly surrendering.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a36592942/texas-republicans-voting-bill-democrats-walk-out/

Go fishing.

The walleye is a very temperamental fish, one with keen powers of perception. The same is true of walleye26.

"They say the sea is cold, but the sea contains the hottest blood of all." — James Tiberius Kirk

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

The ironic part about all this is that not abolishing the fillibuster is more likely to hurt Republicans in the medium-term future, not Democrats.

? Why?

[ElectionsGuy]

The ironic part about all this is that not abolishing the fillibuster is more likely to hurt Republicans in the medium-term future, not Democrats.

? Why?

Republicans are very likely to gain Senate seats in '22 and '24, enough to last them the rest of the decade in the majority potentially. If they get a Republican president in '24 or '28, their agenda items can be stalled by Democrats using the filibuster they so wish to destroy right now. That could cost them for 4-8 years of gridlock, compared to Democrats for this 2 year period. Unless Republicans get 60+ seats after '24 (plausible, but pretty unlikely) they'll have this problem too, and you might even see Republican opinion turn on the filibuster in the greatest hypocrisy of the decade.

[Frodo]

I wonder if we were wrong about Senator Manchin.  We have been assuming that based upon election results and voter trends in West Virginia, that he knows he is on borrowed time as an elected official.  But what if he genuinely thinks he can pull out one more victory in 2024?  That would explain all his actions quite nicely. 

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I wonder if we were wrong about Senator Manchin.  We have been assuming that based upon election results and voter trends in West Virginia, that he knows he is on borrowed time as an elected official.  But what if he genuinely thinks he can pull out one more victory in 2024?  That would explain all his actions quite nicely.  

He can win if we pass DC Statehood, HR 1 and Commission, and Infrastructure, D's are gonna have to go before voters next Nov 2022, if they go with nothing, they will fail, if they pass the whole Biden agenda they will be rewarded.

If DC Statehood is enacted it's wave insurence for Sinema, Brown, Manchin and Tester the most Vulnerable D's in the Senate in 2024

But, it can backfire on the Rs, too, passing nothing is Obstructing Biden

But, DC Statehood at the Minimum should pass

[MATTROSE94]

I wonder if we were wrong about Senator Manchin.  We have been assuming that based upon election results and voter trends in West Virginia, that he knows he is on borrowed time as an elected official.  But what if he genuinely thinks he can pull out one more victory in 2024?  That would explain all his actions quite nicely. 

Maybe Joe Manchin switches parties after the 2022 midterm elections, as he would likely remain as chair of the Energy Committee assuming that Sarah Palin primaries Lisa Murkowski. As a Republican, Joe Manchin can probably eke out two more terms before retiring in 2036.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I wonder if we were wrong about Senator Manchin.  We have been assuming that based upon election results and voter trends in West Virginia, that he knows he is on borrowed time as an elected official.  But what if he genuinely thinks he can pull out one more victory in 2024?  That would explain all his actions quite nicely. 

Maybe Joe Manchin switches parties after the 2022 midterm elections, as he would likely remain as chair of the Energy Committee assuming that Sarah Palin primaries Lisa Murkowski. As a Republican, Joe Manchin can probably eke out two more terms before retiring in 2036.

D's are favored to keep the Senate at least 50 seats and he would in that scenario want to keep his Chairmanship, Manchin if he wanted to switch parties would of done so before 2020 when Rs had the majority.

If D's lose the H they can win it back in 2024

[MATTROSE94]

I wonder if we were wrong about Senator Manchin.  We have been assuming that based upon election results and voter trends in West Virginia, that he knows he is on borrowed time as an elected official.  But what if he genuinely thinks he can pull out one more victory in 2024?  That would explain all his actions quite nicely. 

Maybe Joe Manchin switches parties after the 2022 midterm elections, as he would likely remain as chair of the Energy Committee assuming that Sarah Palin primaries Lisa Murkowski. As a Republican, Joe Manchin can probably eke out two more terms before retiring in 2036.

D's are favored to keep the Senate at least 50 seats and he would in that scenario want to keep his Chairmanship, Manchin if he wanted to switch parties would of done so before 2020 when Rs had the majority.

If D's lose the H they can win it back in 2024

The Democrats aren’t keeping the Senate in 2022. I have the Democrats picking up Pennsylvania (John Fetterman), but losing New Hampshire (Chris Sununu), Nevada (Adam Laxalt), Arizona (Mark Brnovich), and Georgia (Herschel Walker), so the Republicans will have a 53-47 margin in the Senate after the 2022 midterm elections.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/progressive-groups-press-senate-democrats-181555139.html

D's group pressure D's to abolish Filibuster

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I wonder if we were wrong about Senator Manchin.  We have been assuming that based upon election results and voter trends in West Virginia, that he knows he is on borrowed time as an elected official.  But what if he genuinely thinks he can pull out one more victory in 2024?  That would explain all his actions quite nicely. 

Maybe Joe Manchin switches parties after the 2022 midterm elections, as he would likely remain as chair of the Energy Committee assuming that Sarah Palin primaries Lisa Murkowski. As a Republican, Joe Manchin can probably eke out two more terms before retiring in 2036.

D's are favored to keep the Senate at least 50 seats and he would in that scenario want to keep his Chairmanship, Manchin if he wanted to switch parties would of done so before 2020 when Rs had the majority.

If D's lose the H they can win it back in 2024

The Democrats aren’t keeping the Senate in 2022. I have the Democrats picking up Pennsylvania (John Fetterman), but losing New Hampshire (Chris Sununu), Nevada (Adam Laxalt), Arizona (Mark Brnovich), and Georgia (Herschel Walker), so the Republicans will have a 53-47 margin in the Senate after the 2022 midterm elections.

THATS YOUR PREDICTIONS

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

I wonder if we were wrong about Senator Manchin.  We have been assuming that based upon election results and voter trends in West Virginia, that he knows he is on borrowed time as an elected official.  But what if he genuinely thinks he can pull out one more victory in 2024?  That would explain all his actions quite nicely. 

Maybe Joe Manchin switches parties after the 2022 midterm elections, as he would likely remain as chair of the Energy Committee assuming that Sarah Palin primaries Lisa Murkowski. As a Republican, Joe Manchin can probably eke out two more terms before retiring in 2036.

D's are favored to keep the Senate at least 50 seats and he would in that scenario want to keep his Chairmanship, Manchin if he wanted to switch parties would of done so before 2020 when Rs had the majority.

If D's lose the H they can win it back in 2024

The Democrats aren’t keeping the Senate in 2022. I have the Democrats picking up Pennsylvania (John Fetterman), but losing New Hampshire (Chris Sununu), Nevada (Adam Laxalt), Arizona (Mark Brnovich), and Georgia (Herschel Walker), so the Republicans will have a 53-47 margin in the Senate after the 2022 midterm elections.

So do you have a reason for that, or just lazy as hell ‘it’s midterms’

[MATTROSE94]

I wonder if we were wrong about Senator Manchin.  We have been assuming that based upon election results and voter trends in West Virginia, that he knows he is on borrowed time as an elected official.  But what if he genuinely thinks he can pull out one more victory in 2024?  That would explain all his actions quite nicely. 

Maybe Joe Manchin switches parties after the 2022 midterm elections, as he would likely remain as chair of the Energy Committee assuming that Sarah Palin primaries Lisa Murkowski. As a Republican, Joe Manchin can probably eke out two more terms before retiring in 2036.

D's are favored to keep the Senate at least 50 seats and he would in that scenario want to keep his Chairmanship, Manchin if he wanted to switch parties would of done so before 2020 when Rs had the majority.

If D's lose the H they can win it back in 2024

The Democrats aren’t keeping the Senate in 2022. I have the Democrats picking up Pennsylvania (John Fetterman), but losing New Hampshire (Chris Sununu), Nevada (Adam Laxalt), Arizona (Mark Brnovich), and Georgia (Herschel Walker), so the Republicans will have a 53-47 margin in the Senate after the 2022 midterm elections.

So do you have a reason for that, or just lazy as hell ‘it’s midterms’

Chris Sununu, Adam Laxalt, Mark Brnovich, and Herschel Walker are all very strong candidates. Likewise for John Fetterman.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

That's your Prediction

[MABA 2020]

The Chamberlain comparison isn't perfect but yeah, they are aiding in the decline of American democracy