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« on: May 29, 2021, 07:19:04 PM »

If there were Gallup polls in the north american colonies in 1774 and they asked "do you support the independence from Britain?", which percentage of the population of the north american colonies would have answered that they support the independence?
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2021, 02:07:50 PM »

Isn’t it 1/3  Patriots 1/3 Loyalists 1/3 neutral
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2021, 04:16:08 PM »

Isn’t it 1/3  Patriots 1/3 Loyalists 1/3 neutral

That was John Adams' best guess, but (a) he wrote that in the late winter/early spring of 1776 (i.e. after the publication of Common Sense and the liberation of Boston, both of which elicited a upsurge in support for independence), and (b) most historians agree that Adams significantly underestimated support for the Patriot cause, which was probably closer to 40% in early 1776. In 1774, however, there is little doubt that a large majority of British Americans —even those who considered themselves Whigs —were opposed to independence. The Olive Branch Petition was approved by the Continental Congress a full year and half after the Boston Tea Party, keep in mind: the idea that Americans were fighting for their rights as Englishmen and that the king would come to their aid against a tyrannical parliament was a powerful idea that endured until George III explicitly took the option off the table.
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2021, 09:49:29 PM »

In 1774?

Maybe 10% Independent, 50% Stay with Britain but on renegotiated terms more favorable to the colonies, 40% Loyalist.

Patriot goes WAY up after the actual fighting begins.
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2021, 10:26:41 PM »

Isn’t it 1/3  Patriots 1/3 Loyalists 1/3 neutral

That was John Adams' best guess, but (a) he wrote that in the late winter/early spring of 1776 (i.e. after the publication of Common Sense and the liberation of Boston, both of which elicited a upsurge in support for independence), and (b) most historians agree that Adams significantly underestimated support for the Patriot cause, which was probably closer to 40% in early 1776. In 1774, however, there is little doubt that a large majority of British Americans —even those who considered themselves Whigs —were opposed to independence. The Olive Branch Petition was approved by the Continental Congress a full year and half after the Boston Tea Party, keep in mind: the idea that Americans were fighting for their rights as Englishmen and that the king would come to their aid against a tyrannical parliament was a powerful idea that endured until George III explicitly took the option off the table.

Very true, hence why you see the Patriots flying flags like the "George Rex" early on in the Revolution:

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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2021, 01:09:38 AM »

Keep in mind that in some colonies the Tory/Rebel dispute got overlaid with a local  Coastal/Upcountry dispute, tho which side the Coastal elites were on varied by colony.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2021, 01:50:21 AM »

Very few people would support something that radical until it actually happened. I’m thinking like 25% maybe.

Once it actually happened though, allot of people would rally around the flag. People go from ‘I don’t like this stamp tax’ to ‘to hell with King George’ once that becomes a thing that’s really happening
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