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« on: May 21, 2021, 03:12:50 PM »

What kind of trends would be need for this to happen?
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2021, 03:41:43 PM »

Denounce the Trumpists for obvious reasons and denounce the Neocons for other obvious reasons

So basically both current wings of the party need to be quelled

Not gonna happen (IMHO)
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2021, 03:48:51 PM »

Polarize the electorate along whether they believe in the Abrahamic God AND practice an Abrahamic faith. Everyone who isn’t Jewish, Muslim, Baha’i, or a practicing Christian votes D, while the aforementioned groups vote R.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2021, 03:54:47 PM »

Polarize the electorate along whether they believe in the Abrahamic God AND practice an Abrahamic faith. Everyone who isn’t Jewish, Muslim, Baha’i, or a practicing Christian votes D, while the aforementioned groups vote R.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2021, 06:55:25 PM »
« Edited: May 21, 2021, 07:00:44 PM by Tartarus Sauce »

Polarize the electorate along whether they believe in the Abrahamic God AND practice an Abrahamic faith. Everyone who isn’t Jewish, Muslim, Baha’i, or a practicing Christian votes D, while the aforementioned groups vote R.

This strategy wouldn't work under current metrics because minority Abrahamic faith practitioners would largely view this strategy as one in service of Christian nationalism, which they would peg as a much larger threat to their identity than secularism. This is big reason why the ooky spooky "secular" Democrats already do so well with these groups as is.

And non-orthodox Jews have an extremely tenuous attachment to the "faith" side of their Abrahamic faith at best, so this angle wouldn't work with them even if it was somehow retooled into a more inclusive approach
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2021, 07:17:43 PM »
« Edited: May 21, 2021, 08:02:23 PM by The Community of Xi Guay Ong »

Polarize the electorate along whether they believe in the Abrahamic God AND practice an Abrahamic faith. Everyone who isn’t Jewish, Muslim, Baha’i, or a practicing Christian votes D, while the aforementioned groups vote R.

This strategy wouldn't work under current metrics because minority Abrahamic faith practitioners would largely view this strategy as one in service of Christian nationalism, which they would peg as a much larger threat to their identity than secularism. This is big reason why the ooky spooky "secular" Democrats already do so well with these groups as is.

And non-orthodox Jews have an extremely tenuous attachment to the "faith" side of their Abrahamic faith at best, so this angle wouldn't work with them even if it was somehow retooled into a more inclusive approach

My response was a tongue-in-cheek way of saying "lol no".

But I do think this could theoretically happen in an electoral democracy that either 1) is majority/plurality Abrahamic but has a large Dharmic or otherwise non-Abrahamic religious population, or 2) [more relevant to the US and other Anglo/Western countries] has stronger polarization along adherence to religion in general than what religion you adhere to.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2021, 02:19:45 PM »

A- Democrats institute beto's tax on religious institutions that don't approve of gay marriage
B- Republicans become more anti interventionist.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2021, 06:06:07 PM »

I may be way off here, but didn't an exit poll in 2000 show bush winning muslims?
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2021, 06:36:49 PM »

I may be way off here, but didn't an exit poll in 2000 show bush winning muslims?

You're right on this one. Wiki says they went something like 80-20 W. No idea what the racial/ethnic breakdown of Muslim Americans was back then, but I imagine it was more tilted towards actual Middle Easterners and ADOS converts- and less towards South Asians and Africans.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2021, 01:51:19 PM »


I came up with this
Democrats- Christian wokism(Rich and religious whites, very religious minorities)
Republicans- Secular anti wokism(less religious Poor and wc whites, less religious minorities)
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2021, 07:42:31 PM »


I came up with this
Democrats- Christian wokism(Rich and religious whites, very religious minorities)
Republicans- Secular anti wokism(less religious Poor and wc whites, less religious minorities)
I can see this becoming the future
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2021, 08:30:33 PM »

Honestly I’m surprised more don’t

I’m full Persian and all my family members are Muslim and all voted Trump due to hating Iran’s government and anger over Obama giving them all that money in the Iran deal. They liked Trump hard nose approach with Iran and the Republicans economic policies (most are all small business owners)
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2021, 01:31:47 PM »

The real question is, why would anyone vote for the GOP?
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2021, 09:20:44 PM »

For 9/11 to no longer be in living memory.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2021, 10:08:20 PM »

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/republicans-muslim-vote-george-w-bush-donald-trump/419481/

This article covers the flight of Muslim American voters from the GOP since 2000 well. Muslims aren't a monolith, but to get anywhere with them, I would think that the party would have to marginalize its white identitarian segment (which is growing). Overcoming that, the Republicans' turn toward isolationist rhetoric should be a boost.
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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2021, 02:32:01 AM »

The GOP would have to allow the PATRIOT Act to expire and allow Gitmo to be closed.
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2021, 08:32:56 AM »

The real question is, why would anyone vote for the GOP?

Currently, the GOP’s base is comprised mostly of “angry white men” who desire a return to the days where white men had much more rights than just about any other demographic group. The GOP is a perfect fit for these people.
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2021, 08:04:33 AM »

The real question is, why would anyone vote for the GOP?

Currently, the GOP’s base is comprised mostly of “angry white men” who desire a return to the days where white men had much more rights than just about any other demographic group. The GOP is a perfect fit for these people.

Sorry I meant why would any well balanced person vote for the GOP.  I do understand that they have a solid base of lunatics.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2021, 10:21:57 AM »

I have a feeling as 9/11 fades into the sidelines of American history, More muslims will be open to voting GOP again.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2021, 01:32:12 PM »

It would take an Arab Republican candidate who emphasizes social issues.
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2021, 01:26:49 PM »

Honestly I’m surprised more don’t

I’m full Persian and all my family members are Muslim and all voted Trump due to hating Iran’s government and anger over Obama giving them all that money in the Iran deal. They liked Trump hard nose approach with Iran and the Republicans economic policies (most are all small business owners)


Not to put too fine a point on this, but Persians and other Middle Easterners can broadly pass as white in ways that Bangladeshis, Indonesians, and Somalis generally cannot.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/republicans-muslim-vote-george-w-bush-donald-trump/419481/

This article covers the flight of Muslim American voters from the GOP since 2000 well. Muslims aren't a monolith, but to get anywhere with them, I would think that the party would have to marginalize its white identitarian segment (which is growing). Overcoming that, the Republicans' turn toward isolationist rhetoric should be a boost.
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2021, 01:51:29 PM »

The real question is, why would anyone vote for the GOP?

Because their economic policies are better
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