This Wretched Hive Of Scum And Villainy

[Geoffrey Howe]

An equivalent to the similarly-named thread on the Labour Party for the internal developments of the Conservative Party.

Do post a good name for the thread.

[Silent Hunter]

Yes, please.

[Former President tack50]

I now wonder what the Lib Dem version of this would be titled

[CumbrianLefty]

I now wonder what the Lib Dem version of this would be titled

"This Once Relevant Party Of Ours"?

[Cassius]

Can we change the title to That Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy?

[Zinneke]

So what realistically topples Boris within the Tory party? A more free market orientated wing with Javid coming back in the fray? A more authoritarian right with Patel and Gove?

[Blair]

So what realistically topples Boris within the Tory party? A more free market orientated wing with Javid coming back in the fray? A more authoritarian right with Patel and Gove?

Its funny how quickly this changes; last summer you had Tory MPs openly saying that Sunak would be bought in before the next election to stop Keir from winning & then during wallpaper gate everyone was saying that he was too broke & facing too many legal/personal perils and would quit... but of course the local elections have changed that.

If I had to put money on the most likely at the moment I'd say he'll probably retire a few years into a second term where he's facing various personal and political changes and just gives up- it will be a personal rather ideological split.

[Geoffrey Howe]

Can we change the title to That Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy?

What shall we change the Labour one to?

[Conservatopia]

Ah at last a thread to compete with That Still Great Movement of Theirs.

[CumbrianLefty]

So what realistically topples Boris within the Tory party? A more free market orientated wing with Javid coming back in the fray? A more authoritarian right with Patel and Gove?

Its funny how quickly this changes; last summer you had Tory MPs openly saying that Sunak would be bought in before the next election to stop Keir from winning & then during wallpaper gate everyone was saying that he was too broke & facing too many legal/personal perils and would quit... but of course the local elections have changed that.

If I had to put money on the most likely at the moment I'd say he'll probably retire a few years into a second term where he's facing various personal and political changes and just gives up- it will be a personal rather ideological split.

If things have changed like they have in the last six months, then they can change again.

[rc18]

Since there is only one Conservative on the board this is just going to be a lot of Labourites telling everyone how much they hate the Tories, like literally every other thread.

[Geoffrey Howe]

Since there is only one Conservative on the board this is just going to be a lot of Labourites telling everyone how much they hate the Tories, like literally every other thread.

Cassisus and I are quasi-Conservatives in our own way (and I don't think Conservatopia much likes them either); beesley isn't a Labourite and I'm sure the lefties can behave themselves.

[Conservatopia]

Since there is only one Conservative on the board this is just going to be a lot of Labourites telling everyone how much they hate the Tories, like literally every other thread.

Cassisus and I are quasi-Conservatives in our own way (and I don't think Conservatopia much likes them either); beesley isn't a Labourite and I'm sure the lefties can behave themselves.

Nevertheless could we please name the thread "The Chronicles of Tory Scum".  Or just "Tory Scum".  Just for a laugh.

And yes you're right that I'm not a huge fan of the Party but that's basically because they're not rightwing enough.  Plus also I'm a big Cromwell fan and that doesn't play well with most Tories.

[Geoffrey Howe]

Poll added.

[Blair]

Since there is only one Conservative on the board this is just going to be a lot of Labourites telling everyone how much they hate the Tories, like literally every other thread.

I mean this isn't true based on the three posts already from the Labourites?

[PSOL]

The Tory Party is in its best shape in decades lol, there’s no reason for this thread other than to moan about their electoral success.

[Conservatopia]

There is to be a contest for chair of the 1922 Committee.

Graham Brady (incumbent) vs Robert Goodwill.
ConHome has a good write-up: https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2021/05/brady-v-goodwill-the-1922-chairman-election-isnt-just-about-these-contenders-at-its-heart-is-tory-mps-view-of-johnson.html

I'm definitely backing Brady.

[Zinneke]

Since there is only one Conservative on the board this is just going to be a lot of Labourites telling everyone how much they hate the Tories, like literally every other thread.

Amazing after all those years in power right wingers still have an inferiority complex online.

[CumbrianLefty]

The Tory Party is in its best shape in decades lol, there’s no reason for this thread other than to moan about their electoral success.

They are currently in a very strong position, obviously.

But its just two years (almost to the day) since they recorded their lowest ever score in a poll (17%)

Complacency is rarely a wise thing.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The Tory Party is in its best shape in decades lol, there’s no reason for this thread other than to moan about their electoral success.

They are currently in a very strong position, obviously.

But its just two years (almost to the day) since they recorded their lowest ever score in a poll (17%)

Complacency is rarely a wise thing.

They say that pride goes before the fall.

[Geoffrey Howe]

Vengeful Dominic Cummings wants Rishi Sunak in No 10
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vengeful-dominic-cummings-wants-rishi-sunak-in-no-10-7kzbfcg7w


I haven’t come to a view on Rishi Sunak, other than that his much-vaunted suits are horrid. Plainly, the tough stuff is ahead of him; and I wouldn’t be surprised if he never goes ahead with his tax rises. Also, I’m not convinced of the merits of the furlough scheme — not that I don’t think we should be helping people in the pandemic; rather, it seems to me that we should protect people, not jobs.

I shall be closing the poll when I wake up on Monday.

[CumbrianLefty]

Sunak is basically a fan of "sound money" (or as some of us might put it, pro-austerity Thatcherism) and that doesn't sit terribly well with the party's recent populist "splash the cash when it suits us" turn.

[Conservatopia]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/28/conservative-poll-lead-grows-despite-dominic-cummingss-attacks/

The banter politics of this sceptred isle continues.
> Some terrible allegations or whatever hit the Tories
> Sunday roles around and our poll lead is up again

We don't deserve it but we can't complain.

[Silent Hunter]

Cummings isn't seen as credible since he mistook a castle for an optician.

[CumbrianLefty]

I dunno what poll is being referred to above, but the two out yesterday had the Tory lead dropping.