Ilhan Omar accuses Israel of Terrorism

[TheReckoning]

The West Bank and Gaza belong to Israel as much as America West of the Mississippi belongs to the United States.

Israel annexed that territory in War. It is their land. If Palestinians believe that in unfair, maybe they shouldn’t have tried to destroy Israel.

What’s the saying again? Don’t dish out what you yourself can’t handle?

If the United States was expanding today in the way that it did in the 19th century, I promise you that many people, American and elsewhere, would have a very big issue with it. Saying that other nations have also done the same thing, decades or centuries ago, is not at all an actual justification of the Israeli government's behavior on the basis on any merit.

Palestine started to war. They lost that war. A part of losing wars you started is... well, losing.

I must've missed the part where American expansion west of the Mississippi was entirely the result of other nations starting and losing wars with the United States.

Actually, the United States has a less valid claim to much of the land west of the Mississippi than Israel does to Palestine. The United States took much of that land by force from parties who did not purposely engage in any conflict with the United States. Meanwhile, Palestine voluntarily declared War on Israel, only to lose that war. It was largely their fault, and thus, I don’t consider Israel’s claim on Palestine invalid.

[GeneralMacArthur]

The West Bank and Gaza belong to Israel as much as America West of the Mississippi belongs to the United States.

Israel annexed that territory in War. It is their land. If Palestinians believe that in unfair, maybe they shouldn’t have tried to destroy Israel.

What’s the saying again? Don’t dish out what you yourself can’t handle?

If the United States was expanding today in the way that it did in the 19th century, I promise you that many people, American and elsewhere, would have a very big issue with it. Saying that other nations have also done the same thing, decades or centuries ago, is not at all an actual justification of the Israeli government's behavior on the basis on any merit.

Palestine started to war. They lost that war. A part of losing wars you started is... well, losing.

What war did "Palestine" start? Why should Palestinians have to still pay today for the actions of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan 50 or more years ago?

Palestine never started any war because Palestine was always a weak non-entity that operated as a puppet of other, more powerful Arab states -- particularly Egypt and Jordan.  It wasn't even a real state for most of the early parts of Israel's existence.  The Gaza Strip was controlled by Egypt after the first Arab-Israeli War.  The West Bank was controlled by Jordan.  Palestine didn't even exist until the Camp David Accords, when Egypt gave up the Gaza Strip.  Jordan gave up the West Bank a few years later.

The PLO didn't exist until the 1964 Arab League summit, when it was basically created by the Arab states.  Its militants were trained in Egypt and Jordan.  Palestinian military organizations fought with Egypt/Syria/Jordan against Israel in all three wars, but were so insignificant that they had little impact.  It was only once they started using guerrilla tactics and targeting Israeli civilians with terror attacks that PLO started to have real impact.  Fighting the Israeli military is hard, but blowing up a school full of little children is much easier.

In short, trying to separate Palestine from the Arab states that started three wars with Israel is foolish.  The concept of Palestine as its own entity making its own decisions is more recent than those wars, and in fact arguably an outcome of those wars.  At the time, Palestine was just a part of the countries fighting those wars, as much as Virginia was a part of the Confederacy.

[Donerail]

I must've missed the part where American expansion west of the Mississippi was entirely the result of other nations starting and losing wars with the United States.

Do native tribes and confederations not count as "nations?"

Was every Indian war "start[ed]" by native tribes?

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

The West Bank and Gaza belong to Israel as much as America West of the Mississippi belongs to the United States.

Israel annexed that territory in War. It is their land. If Palestinians believe that in unfair, maybe they shouldn’t have tried to destroy Israel.

What’s the saying again? Don’t dish out what you yourself can’t handle?

If the United States was expanding today in the way that it did in the 19th century, I promise you that many people, American and elsewhere, would have a very big issue with it. Saying that other nations have also done the same thing, decades or centuries ago, is not at all an actual justification of the Israeli government's behavior on the basis on any merit.

Palestine started to war. They lost that war. A part of losing wars you started is... well, losing.

I must've missed the part where American expansion west of the Mississippi was entirely the result of other nations starting and losing wars with the United States.

Do native tribes and confederations not count as "nations?"

Certainly they do, as does Mexico. The point I was making is that the United States usually instigated those conflicts for the sake of expansion, rather than the other nations starting them and then losing them and being forced to cede land. The post I was responding to was specifically about “losing wars you started.”

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

The West Bank and Gaza belong to Israel as much as America West of the Mississippi belongs to the United States.

Israel annexed that territory in War. It is their land. If Palestinians believe that in unfair, maybe they shouldn’t have tried to destroy Israel.

What’s the saying again? Don’t dish out what you yourself can’t handle?

If the United States was expanding today in the way that it did in the 19th century, I promise you that many people, American and elsewhere, would have a very big issue with it. Saying that other nations have also done the same thing, decades or centuries ago, is not at all an actual justification of the Israeli government's behavior on the basis on any merit.

Palestine started to war. They lost that war. A part of losing wars you started is... well, losing.

I must've missed the part where American expansion west of the Mississippi was entirely the result of other nations starting and losing wars with the United States.

Actually, the United States has a less valid claim to much of the land west of the Mississippi than Israel does to Palestine. The United States took much of that land by force from parties who did not purposely engage in any conflict with the United States. Meanwhile, Palestine voluntarily declared War on Israel, only to lose that war. It was largely their fault, and thus, I don’t consider Israel’s claim on Palestine invalid.

I agree with the bolded, hence the issue I was raising with you making the comparison.

[7,052,770]

The West Bank and Gaza belong to Israel as much as America West of the Mississippi belongs to the United States.

Israel annexed that territory in War. It is their land. If Palestinians believe that in unfair, maybe they shouldn’t have tried to destroy Israel.

What’s the saying again? Don’t dish out what you yourself can’t handle?

If the United States was expanding today in the way that it did in the 19th century, I promise you that many people, American and elsewhere, would have a very big issue with it. Saying that other nations have also done the same thing, decades or centuries ago, is not at all an actual justification of the Israeli government's behavior on the basis on any merit.

Palestine started to war. They lost that war. A part of losing wars you started is... well, losing.

I must've missed the part where American expansion west of the Mississippi was entirely the result of other nations starting and losing wars with the United States.

Actually, the United States has a less valid claim to much of the land west of the Mississippi than Israel does to Palestine. The United States took much of that land by force from parties who did not purposely engage in any conflict with the United States. Meanwhile, Palestine voluntarily declared War on Israel, only to lose that war. It was largely their fault, and thus, I don’t consider Israel’s claim on Palestine invalid.

Again, no. "Palestine" never declared war in the 1948 War, Six-Day War, or Yom Kippur War. Those were all a combination of Egypt, Syria, and/or Jordan.

[Beet]

If Israel annexes this land, they'll be left with a country that is half Arab. Be my guest lol.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1393545562239250434

https://apnews.com/article/israel-west-bank-gaza-middle-east-israel-palestinian-conflict-7974cc0c03897b8b21e5fc2f8c7d8a79
Israel strike in Gaza destroys building with AP, other media

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli airstrike destroyed a high-rise building in Gaza City that housed offices of The Associated Press and other media outlets on Friday, the latest step by the military to silence reporting from the territory amid its battle with the militant group Hamas.

The strike came nearly an hour after the military ordered people to evacuate the building, which also housed Al-Jazeera, other offices and residential apartments. The strike brought the entire 12-story building down, collapsing with a gigantic cloud of dust. There was no immediate explanation for why it was attacked.

The strike came hours after another Israeli air raid on a densely populated refugee camp in Gaza City killed at least 10 Palestinians from an extended family, mostly children, in the deadliest single strike of the current conflict. Both sides pressed for an advantage as cease-fire efforts gathered strength.

The latest outburst of violence began in Jerusalem and has spread across the region, with Jewish-Arab clashes and rioting in mixed cities of Israel. There were also widespread Palestinian protests Friday in the occupied West Bank, where Israeli forces shot and killed 11 people.

The spiraling violence has raised fears of a new Palestinian “intifada,” or uprising at a time when there have been no peace talks in years. Palestinians on Saturday were marking Nakba (Catastrophe) Day, when they commemorate the estimated 700,000 people who were expelled from or fled their homes in what was now Israel during the 1948 war surrounding its creation. That raised the possibility of even more unrest.

Biden-Effect.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-business-israel-palestinian-conflict-f595d0ea0a7e21a4e4974ae55e00024d
AP statement on Israeli attack on building housing AP office

We are shocked and horrified that the Israeli military would target and destroy the building housing AP’s bureau and other news organizations in Gaza. They have long known the location of our bureau and knew journalists were there. We received a warning that the building would be hit.

We are seeking information from the Israeli government and are engaged with the U.S. State Department to try to learn more.

This is an incredibly disturbing development. We narrowly avoided a terrible loss of life. A dozen AP journalists and freelancers were inside the building and thankfully we were able to evacuate them in time.

The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-israel-terrorism-hamas.amp


The fact she is in the foreign relations committee is disgraceful

She reminds me of Reagan who compared the Israeli airstrike on Beirut to creating a... holocaust. Imagine telling this to PM of Israel.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/27/magazine/reagan-turns-to-israel.html

The agreement was only two weeks old when Mr. Begin handed Mr. Reagan another shock - the virtual annexation of the Golan Heights, an area seized from Syria in the 1967 war. Mr. Reagan retaliated by suspending the new accord. Mr. Begin was stung into an emotional outburst, accusing the United States Government of treating Israel like a ''banana republic.'' So ended strategic cooperation in 1981.

The relationship remained bumpy for the next year. Israel completed its withdrawal from Sinai in April 1982, honoring its obligation under the Camp David agreements. Six weeks later, however, Israel fulfilled Washington's forebodings by invading Lebanon in an all-out offensive against P.L.O. forces north of the border. To the surprise of American officials, who expected the Israelis to stop about 25 miles into Lebanon, Mr. Sharon drove to Beirut in a grand plan to do away with the P.L.O. and Syrian presences in all of Lebanon and to promote a Lebanese-Israeli alliance.

This bold stroke plunged the Reagan Administration into confusion and discord. Mr. Reagan and Mr. Weinberger were upset; Mr. Haig saw in the invasion an opportunity to free Lebanon of all foreign forces. Mr. Weinberger wanted the President to take firm action against Israel; Mr. Haig disagreed. This dispute contributed heavily to Mr. Haig's resignation, and his replacement by Mr. Shultz.

When Israeli planes attacked Beirut, Mr. Reagan called Mr. Begin to tell him his air force was creating a ''holocaust,'' a term the Prime Minister found insulting. In September 1982, after the P.L.O. and Syrian forces in Beirut were evacuated by sea under the terms of a cease-fire, Mr. Reagan, at Mr. Shultz's urging, offered his plan for Jordan and the West Bank. Mr. Begin rejected it out of hand. Lebanon's new President-elect, Bashir Gemayel, was assassinated later that month, and the Israelis entered West Beirut, in violation of the cease- fire. While Israel was in control of the city, the forces of the Phalangist Christian faction slaughtered hundreds of Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps.

The massacre brought Israeli-American relations to their lowest point. A small peacekeeping force of American marines and French and Italian soldiers had overseen the Beirut evacuation; the President now sent the marines back to Beirut and and demanded that the Israelis leave. Through the winter of 1982-83, the United States blamed Israel for the lack of progress in Lebanon. The marines almost came to blows with the Israelis in disputes over their patroling areas.

Sad, that US turned so f**king neocon, that even Ilhan Omar is softer on Israel than Reagan. Not to compare to Biden, who so far showed no balls against Bibi.

Then, in 80' US was way more dependant on Israel/Middle East because of the spats with USSR.  *Today* when Middle East more or less rendered itself irrelevant, Reagan would tear Bibi apart for less.

https://twitter.com/AlexWardVox/status/1394665602409713669


At the same time (almost 40 years ago) as Reagan told then Israeli PM, he was creating a ''holocaust'', Joe Biden got criticized by the same PM for being more Bibi than Bibi is today. Interesting article by the way Re: Biden & Israel relationship. Read it!



And here is Reagan's September, 1982, speech to the Nation. What a man! What a contrast to today's clowns!