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Mr. Illini
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« on: May 13, 2021, 03:01:03 PM »

As a result of recent developments coming out of the Middle East, I have seen many comparisons in the left-y sphere on social media comparing Israel's settlements in the West Bank to colonialism and calling the Palestinians indigenous peoples.

Obviously this is an extremely complicated topic and social media posts remove nuance from the topics they are discussing. It made me think - is this framing really correct? Though the Jewish people are new to the area in recent times, we know that they actually did compare much of that land centuries ago. But, were the Palestinians there at that time as well? And, is there a distinction to be made between the Jews currently in Israel and the Jews that lived there centuries ago?

Lots to unpack here - I thought it might produce a good thread. Discuss!
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2021, 06:56:17 PM »
« Edited: May 14, 2021, 12:36:13 AM by America Needs Kali »

I trust this answers your question:

Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites
DNA analysis, from bodies found at several sites, explains more than half of ancestry

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After examining the DNA of 93 bodies recovered from archaeological sites around the southern Levant, the land of Canaan in the Bible, researchers have concluded that modern populations of the region are descendants of the ancient Canaanites. Most modern Jewish groups and the Arabic-speaking groups from the region show at least half of their ancestry as Canaanite.

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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2021, 03:45:20 PM »

People born there.
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2021, 11:56:13 AM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_Utah
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2021, 05:41:29 PM »

I think this question is besides the point that displacement of a given people from their homes and the concurrent subjugation of them is indeed morally sus. Therefore, the best option is to allow for a right to return and to restore recent land rights and homes of displaced people under one shared state where everyone can live in harmony.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2021, 10:02:31 PM »


I don’t get it
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2021, 10:17:07 PM »

The Nephilim
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2021, 12:41:02 AM »

All of that region near Africa indigenous people can be argued the Pharoahs weren't Arab they had Black Pharoahs as well as Northern Africa had Black people at first but then Muslims took over, no one owns the Suez Canal, Israel or Africa
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2021, 09:19:50 AM »

Both Jews and Palestinians are indigenous, in my opinion. Cultural links go back long enough.
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2021, 01:17:09 PM »

Who is anywhere, honestly?  We arguably have zero descendants of indigenous Europeans, for example ... even the Basques are descended from invaders from Anatolia, right?
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2021, 01:56:46 PM »

Who is anywhere, honestly?  We arguably have zero descendants of indigenous Europeans, for example ... even the Basques are descended from invaders from Anatolia, right?

That's interesting that you would say that:

Europeans drawn from three ancient 'tribes'




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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2021, 02:59:50 PM »

Who is anywhere, honestly?  We arguably have zero descendants of indigenous Europeans, for example ... even the Basques are descended from invaders from Anatolia, right?

That's interesting that you would say that:

Europeans drawn from three ancient 'tribes'






And there are no descendants of the original hunter gatherers anymore, IIRC, even if you look at genetics rather than culture.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2021, 05:17:35 PM »


It's a Mormon joke--Native Americans are the lost tribe of Israeli
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2021, 07:09:32 PM »

Palestinians obvious
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