1956: nixon dumped.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Oh yes, JFK was so horrible, which is why he is so popular today.

He's only so popular b/c of the assissination, he screwed up Bay of Pigs so bad and his family is the most corrupt in the world.  And public opinion is very high of some awful people.  I don't think there are too many public opinion polls generating his approval level.  Lee Harvey Oswald (or whoever) saved America from going down a path that would have lead to a communist takeover.

You're a lunatic

At least when Kennedy screwed up on the Bay of Pigs, he admitted his RESPONSIBILITY and his mistakes. Are we forgetting the Cuban Missile Crisis?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Oh yes, JFK was so horrible, which is why he is so popular today.

He's only so popular b/c of the assissination, he screwed up Bay of Pigs so bad and his family is the most corrupt in the world.  And public opinion is very high of some awful people.  I don't think there are too many public opinion polls generating his approval level.  Lee Harvey Oswald (or whoever) saved America from going down a path that would have lead to a communist takeover.

You're a lunatic

Yes, of course, not likely JFK makes me a lunatic

People on the right will use the BoP (an Eisenhower plan) to attack JFK... but none will use the CMC... hmmm wonder why?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Oh yes, JFK was so horrible, which is why he is so popular today.

He's only so popular b/c of the assissination, he screwed up Bay of Pigs so bad and his family is the most corrupt in the world.  And public opinion is very high of some awful people.  I don't think there are too many public opinion polls generating his approval level.  Lee Harvey Oswald (or whoever) saved America from going down a path that would have lead to a communist takeover.

You're a lunatic

Yes, of course, not likely JFK makes me a lunatic

People on the right will use the BoP (an Eisenhower plan) to attack JFK... but none will use the CMC... hmmm wonder why?

Ok, them acknowledge Bush did an amazing job of handling 9/11, of course no liberal will

Bush in the immediate aftermath did what every leader should do - he rallied his country. He finally was President.

Then he managed to screw it up from about November on. But in the begining he was doing as good a job as anyone could do.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I'm just curious - what disasterous mistakes - the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty? The Hotline to Moscow which helped bring in Detente under Nixon?


On Bush - by November 2001 - Iraq rumblings were starting to be heard and I started to get nervous. You can't accept that I complemented Bush on his handling of the national trauma of 9/11 and you reduce any complements of JFK to "mediocre"... during one of the most dangerous periods in the history of the world. I assume that you would have agreed with the Chiefs of Staff and invaded Cuba and called Krushchev's bluff?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

On topic - then down I'll get to you.


If Nixon were dropped in '56 it would have been a very messy Primary season for the Reps. Nixon may actually have won - but Kennedy would still have won in 1960.

Down, I was curious do you have ANYTHING complementary to say about any of the 20th Century Democratic presidents, at least I admit I'm a fan of Eisenhower and Nixon did more than any President to end the cold war (yes, I'm including St Ronnie), Coolidge was a good man, Hoover was a decent man, but just missed the point of the depression completely. Of course, not including T. Roosevelt who even his uncle said "Theodore is not a Republican, he's a democrat"

But what do we get from you?

FDR - Evil socialist
JFK - Corrupt, communist sympathiser
LBJ - I've never heard your opinion but since he believed that helping the poor requires more than a tuck under the chin you must think he's satan himself.
Carter -
Clinton - Sleazy

So, we have Wilson, Truman and Carter that you haven't attacked.


Oh back on topic again, if Nixon didn't get the nomination in 1960... and Kennedy still won - he would have been frontrunner in '64. Assuming Kennedy isn't assassinated.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

  And I'm not happy he died, I'm just saying it wasn't a bad thing.    The only people I wish death on are al-Qaeda members, unlike most Democrats who wish death on Bush.

Well, there is the comment that shows how even minded you are. "I'm not happy he died... but it wasn't a bad thing" apart from being a revolting thing to say how is that really any different? Do I think Bush had made many many mistakes? Yes Do I think he uses personal attack politics to make his point? Yes Do I think He is trapped in an ideological bubble? Yes Do I wish death upon him? No. I lost a parent and would NEVER NEVER wish that upon anyone. Despite this degree of the politics of personality... not policy.

I apologise for going so off topic - but when someone makes comment so ridiculous verging on offensive I will respond.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

On topic - then down I'll get to you.


If Nixon were dropped in '56 it would have been a very messy Primary season for the Reps. Nixon may actually have won - but Kennedy would still have won in 1960.

Down, I was curious do you have ANYTHING complementary to say about any of the 20th Century Democratic presidents, at least I admit I'm a fan of Eisenhower and Nixon did more than any President to end the cold war (yes, I'm including St Ronnie), Coolidge was a good man, Hoover was a decent man, but just missed the point of the depression completely. Of course, not including T. Roosevelt who even his uncle said "Theodore is not a Republican, he's a democrat"

But what do we get from you?

FDR - Evil socialist
JFK - Corrupt, communist sympathiser
LBJ - I've never heard your opinion but since he believed that helping the poor requires more than a tuck under the chin you must think he's satan himself.
Carter -
Clinton - Sleazy

So, we have Wilson, Truman and Carter that you haven't attacked.


Oh back on topic again, if Nixon didn't get the nomination in 1960... and Kennedy still won - he would have been frontrunner in '64. Assuming Kennedy isn't assassinated.

Wilson- wasn't really a bad guy, he did what was necessary to help win WWI
Truman- helped a create SS system which seemed like it would work at the time and wasn't afraid to use to atomic bomb
Carter- he gave the canal back to Panama?  Any coincidence the hostages were released the day Reagan came to power?

Of course there wasn't a coincidence - the Iranians wanted to give Carter that last twist of the knife.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Good match-up