1956: nixon dumped.

[DownWithTheLeft]

in 1956, president eisenhower drops nixon from the ticket.  the two were never particularly close.  ike encourages nixon to go back to california and run for governor.

eisenhower selects sec of defense and former general motors ceo, charlie wilson as his vp running mate.

the eisenhower/wilson ticket has little trouble defeating the ticket of stevenson/kefauver.

he do these events affect the 1960 race?

Does Nixon run in 1960?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Going into the election Nixon has the incredibly popular Eisenhower at his side.  But this time, due to Ike's popularity, he decides to pick Goldwater to help deliever the South rather than Cabot from MA.  This time, the GOP contests the results in IL more vigorously and after the fraud is discovered conclusively, IL is handed to Nixon.  Goldwater delievers Nixon NM, TX, and NV.  Due to Ike's popularity he also wins NJ and MO.  Face w/a closer race, AL and LA go for Kennedy.

Nixon/Goldwater 307
Kennedy/Johnson 230

America is spared the horror that is JFK, and hopefully the Kennedy's never become what they are today.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Oh yes, JFK was so horrible, which is why he is so popular today.

He's only so popular b/c of the assissination, he screwed up Bay of Pigs so bad and his family is the most corrupt in the world.  And public opinion is very high of some awful people.  I don't think there are too many public opinion polls generating his approval level.  Lee Harvey Oswald (or whoever) saved America from going down a path that would have lead to a communist takeover.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Oh yes, JFK was so horrible, which is why he is so popular today.

He's only so popular b/c of the assissination, he screwed up Bay of Pigs so bad and his family is the most corrupt in the world.  And public opinion is very high of some awful people.  I don't think there are too many public opinion polls generating his approval level.  Lee Harvey Oswald (or whoever) saved America from going down a path that would have lead to a communist takeover.

You're a lunatic

Yes, of course, not likely JFK makes me a lunatic

[DownWithTheLeft]

Oh yes, JFK was so horrible, which is why he is so popular today.

He's only so popular b/c of the assissination, he screwed up Bay of Pigs so bad and his family is the most corrupt in the world.  And public opinion is very high of some awful people.  I don't think there are too many public opinion polls generating his approval level.  Lee Harvey Oswald (or whoever) saved America from going down a path that would have lead to a communist takeover.

You're a lunatic

Yes, of course, not likely JFK makes me a lunatic

People on the right will use the BoP (an Eisenhower plan) to attack JFK... but none will use the CMC... hmmm wonder why?

Ok, them acknowledge Bush did an amazing job of handling 9/11, of course no liberal will

[DownWithTheLeft]

Oh yes, JFK was so horrible, which is why he is so popular today.

He's only so popular b/c of the assissination, he screwed up Bay of Pigs so bad and his family is the most corrupt in the world.  And public opinion is very high of some awful people.  I don't think there are too many public opinion polls generating his approval level.  Lee Harvey Oswald (or whoever) saved America from going down a path that would have lead to a communist takeover.

You're a lunatic

Yes, of course, not likely JFK makes me a lunatic

People on the right will use the BoP (an Eisenhower plan) to attack JFK... but none will use the CMC... hmmm wonder why?

Ok, them acknowledge Bush did an amazing job of handling 9/11, of course no liberal will

Bush in the immediate aftermath did what every leader should do - he rallied his country. He finally was President.

Then he managed to screw it up from about November on. But in the begining he was doing as good a job as anyone could do.

Bush didn't even do what the Democrats consider "messing up" although late in his first term.  Kennedy handled the immediate effects of the Cuban Missle Crisis as any mediocre leader would do.  Before he could make any grave mistakes, he was killed.  He was elected b/c of fraud not the will of the voters, and served a very short while to be considered a great president.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I'm just curious - what disasterous mistakes - the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty? The Hotline to Moscow which helped bring in Detente under Nixon?


On Bush - by November 2001 - Iraq rumblings were starting to be heard and I started to get nervous. You can't accept that I complemented Bush on his handling of the national trauma of 9/11 and you reduce any complements of JFK to "mediocre"... during one of the most dangerous periods in the history of the world. I assume that you would have agreed with the Chiefs of Staff and invaded Cuba and called Krushchev's bluff?

Saying Bush would've done what any president would is not a compliment in fact it is the definition of "mediocre".  Kennedy was killed before he had the chance to do any real harm.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I'm just curious - what disasterous mistakes - the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty? The Hotline to Moscow which helped bring in Detente under Nixon?


On Bush - by November 2001 - Iraq rumblings were starting to be heard and I started to get nervous. You can't accept that I complemented Bush on his handling of the national trauma of 9/11 and you reduce any complements of JFK to "mediocre"... during one of the most dangerous periods in the history of the world. I assume that you would have agreed with the Chiefs of Staff and invaded Cuba and called Krushchev's bluff?

Saying Bush would've done what any president would is not a compliment in fact it is the definition of "mediocre".  Kennedy was killed before he had the chance to do any real harm.

I'm sure Jackie in her blood stained brain splattered pink dress and their young children were also relieved you sick ba----d You can disagree with a man like Jack Kennedy's policies and the way he conducts his life, but by god don't revel in his death.

EDITl: Apologies for the profanity. From one relative conservative to another, I hate the fact you keep picking the most 'conservative' positions by default without thinking about them, no matter who you push down in the dirt or offend.

I think all positions through, and this country would be much better off Nixon would have won in 1960.  And I'm not happy he died, I'm just saying it wasn't a bad thing.  Just as I don't wish death on Jon Corzine, but the state of NJ would be much better off if he wasn't governor.  The only people I wish death on are al-Qaeda members, unlike most Democrats who wish death on Bush.

[DownWithTheLeft]

My original map still stands.

[DownWithTheLeft]

On topic - then down I'll get to you.


If Nixon were dropped in '56 it would have been a very messy Primary season for the Reps. Nixon may actually have won - but Kennedy would still have won in 1960.

Down, I was curious do you have ANYTHING complementary to say about any of the 20th Century Democratic presidents, at least I admit I'm a fan of Eisenhower and Nixon did more than any President to end the cold war (yes, I'm including St Ronnie), Coolidge was a good man, Hoover was a decent man, but just missed the point of the depression completely. Of course, not including T. Roosevelt who even his uncle said "Theodore is not a Republican, he's a democrat"

But what do we get from you?

FDR - Evil socialist
JFK - Corrupt, communist sympathiser
LBJ - I've never heard your opinion but since he believed that helping the poor requires more than a tuck under the chin you must think he's satan himself.
Carter -
Clinton - Sleazy

So, we have Wilson, Truman and Carter that you haven't attacked.


Oh back on topic again, if Nixon didn't get the nomination in 1960... and Kennedy still won - he would have been frontrunner in '64. Assuming Kennedy isn't assassinated.

Wilson- wasn't really a bad guy, he did what was necessary to help win WWI
Truman- helped a create SS system which seemed like it would work at the time and wasn't afraid to use to atomic bomb
Carter- he gave the canal back to Panama?  Any coincidence the hostages were released the day Reagan came to power?