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« on: May 10, 2021, 04:30:09 PM »

Trump's disapproval rating other than about a week or two after the January 6th insurrection remained steadily in the mid-50s, and his approval rating remain solidly in the mid to low 40s depending on which poll you reviewed. Nixon disapproval rating was well into the mid-60s during the height of Watergate and his approval rating sank below 30%. Republicans and conservatives today are willing to give Trump a pass for abuse of the presidency arguably far worse than Watergate than they were for Nixon less than 40 years ago.

Literally 90 + percent of Republican voters and politicians come into two camps, the dominant 1 of shamefully starch trumpist supporters who Porter on outright authoritarianism and wanting to shut down democracy, and a somewhat smaller core of Motors and Republican politician to 110% enable trumpism by trying to harness it for enacting their conservative agenda. Less than 10% of the party is actually willing to stand up to him like Liz Cheney and others. That is a far cry and just simply an inapt comparison to the cop of the mid-70s where people trying to defend or Naval Nixon in the height of Watergate were the slim minority of the party.

Sorry I was sorry, but you still have some hard internal conversations to have.
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2021, 04:32:40 PM »

Ugh, yes they are less honorable. 98% of them aren't honorable at all. Not saying everything was fine in the 1970s, for sure it wasn't, but Trump and his clownish cult followers are antidemocratic and corrupt scum. The GOP ultimately abandoned Nixon during Watergate for a break-in and its cover-up. That was far less of a crime than everything Mr. Trump has done. Instead, they enabled him, praised him and turned a blind eye to his many power abuses such as turning the Justice Dept. into his personal lawfirm. He didn't have to face consequences for that or January 6. McCarthy is now pushing anyone remotely critical of their orange buffoon out while MTG is getting a free ride. Anyone continuing to enable all the nonsense should have no place in public office.

And Cheney and alike don't need to appear as the big defenders of the rule of law now. She and many others who claim to be outraged, including ex-officers like Boehner, rode the tiger when it was politically expedient instead of telling their voters the truth than Trumpism and the Tea Party are crap and that Hannity and Limbaugh are lying to them. All in all, the Trump era has revealed to true colors of GOP politicans we previously could have seen as mere political opponents and not enemies of American institutions and democracy.


Yes , but why did they abandon Nixon back in 1974 . It was cause the American people completely turned on him and it was clear if they stuck by him republicans would get destroyed by their largest margin they have been destroyed since 1936.

Today it’s the exact opposite and politicians who actually care about things such as principle and honor are the ones who get punished and voted out . So is it any surprise republicans politicians are like this .

Politicians always were about winning, it’s just that the voters expected them to care about principles then while they don’t today .


Yes, but these get replaced by less honorable people who only care about keeping their mandate rather than doing the right thing. The vast majority of Republicans with integrity and reasonable political positions who understood there needs to be compromise were thrown out since 1994 and particularly after 2010. Someone like Richard Lugar for example, or now even Brad Raffensberger, who became a target of Trump cultists for simply refusing to overturn an election he didn't have the authority to overturn. Many others refuse to do the right thing because as long as repeating Trump's lies or starting endless investigations on opponents like Benghazi that produce nothing but hot air keeps them in office, they're fine to get along with it. And the worst aspect of all that is that these people know better. Lindsey Graham or Kevin McCarthy know that the 2020 election wasn't stolen. They can't be that stupid. However, they repeat Trump's big lie anyway because doing the opposite would cause the cultists to come after them (heck, Graham wouldn't even have to bother since he was just reelected for a six year term).

Of course Nixon losing support over scandals and Trump not is a result of the media landscape today. But the solution can't be to go along with it, but for Republicans of honor to stand up it. Unfortunately, the John McCains of the world have almost extinct in the modern Republican Party.


I 100% wish there were more John McCain's and Mitt Romney's but you only get those types of politicians if the voters also want their politicians to be like John McCain and Mitt Romney rather than Kevin McCarthy and Lindsey Graham.  Sadly I dont think its just politicians but I think its society as a whole that punish principle now days.


People who take shortcuts, and seemingly dont care about principles seem to get promoted, get more investors etc while people who do the right thing and care about principles many times the exact opposite happens

So what's your point? That Republican voters are just as bad and addicted to either mostly being hardcore trumpist supporters, or otherwise being fully willing to an able trumpism if it means getting an agenda tax cuts and deregulation passed and damn the long-term consequences to our country and democracy? Unquestionably true, and it results in the GOP having literally ninety-plus percent of politicians being grossly dishonorable, which is nothing you can say about the mid-70s Howard Baker and Jerry Ford era Republican Party that made the Watergate investigation a fundamentally bipartisan preceding and helped ensure Nixon was forced to resign rather than try to play trench warfare in an impeachment tri, and then justifiably treated him after he left the White House as a pariah.

The contrasts with the modern GOP are starkly black and white
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