Progressives: Should we let some states secede?

[John Dule]

No. We should be adding to our territory, not subtracting from it.

[John Dule]

No. We should be adding to our territory, not subtracting from it.

What’s this supposed to mean?

Presumably expanding the borders of the US. Not sure what direction Dule is suggesting, if any.

North.

[John Dule]

No. We should be adding to our territory, not subtracting from it.

What’s this supposed to mean?

Presumably expanding the borders of the US. Not sure what direction Dule is suggesting, if any.

North.

We will fight in the fields and we will fight in the glaciers. We will not surrender one inch of Canadian soil.

(I am a Canadian citizen for those who don't know)

We should've dealt with you in 1812 when we had the justification for it.

[John Dule]

Do progressive really believe there is no situation in which secession is morally supportable?  If not, how do you square this with support for separatist movements or self-determination claims in other nations?

Well, I'd argue that supporting those is deeply overrated most of the time and that self-determination is not inherently progressive.

Check your sig and username brah

*Inherently.* The issue at hand is human rights, democracy, and good government. If those are satisfied, it is hard to justify secession particularly when it might put those values at risk. The ROC, after all, would prefer to be ruling Mainland China using those values. If you think progressive/liberal values ought to be universalisable, you'll inevitable run into conflicts with self-determinists.

But does the US at present have human rights, democracy, and good government?

Yes.