Should the Labor Party disband?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Been here long enough to know not to wish for the demise of the other side, for fear of what would replace them.

Imagine if folks has this approach in 2018.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Wulfric there’s no divide between the “center-left” and “left” on the left in Atlasia and for someone who spent 2.5 years in the main party on the left, you should know this. Stop thinking this game like irl.

While I do think somewhat of a divide already exists on social issues, what I am saying is that dissolution would create the impetus for something like the above to occur, especially since there would probably be some sort of ban on immediately reforming the exact same parties if this dissolution were to actually occur.

This is so ridiculous. If Hamilton could run the Populares for months after his forum ban via AIM and socks, any such "bans" will be easily circumvented in the discord era.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Labor Party has disbanded.

All of its former members have now joined the Labour Party

New Labour, old danger!!!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Who are those New Democrat/DLC types that a moderate could have flipped?

Idk, but a more moderate candidate would have also held the right wing defections that the right lost in Feb 2020 which is enough to win them the Presidency. A brand new party system would bring a lot of questions that we don't have answers to.

If you can’t name specific voters to a question like this, then it’s probably no one. This isn’t RL politics to the extent RL politics work this way.

Like Joe McCarthy he speaks of lists of travelers but ever fails to produce the the names so often alluded to and hinted at. Perhaps it is just his shopping list or the receipt from the grocery store he is frantically waving about, we may never know.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It's kind of amazing how right-wingers think dissolving Labor would actually improve their prospects. LOL.

All you have to do is look at the first months following the last Duopoly Dissolution, but for those too lazy to care about history: what do you think the aggregate of left-wing voters will do if there is no bogeyman remaining that hurt their fee-fees?

I'll tell you: virtually every D avatar and left-leaning voter will ultimately preference a left-leaning candidate over a right-leaning one, instead of the relatively consistent and measurable number of them since 2013 preferencing right-wingers over Laborites because we were just too good at the game and/or didn't put up with their meandering nonsense. Without the bogeyman, no actual left-of-center voter will have a reason to vote for a right-winger (unlike now).

Let's make it simple for the dullards: the existence of the Labor Party has increased opportunities (measured by % performance) for the Right over the past decade rather than harming them, while arguably handicapping those same opportunities for the Left at-large. In years past, it was because we had a hard-left ideology that alienated moderates. In recent years, it's more due to the gradual and predictable build-up of resentment among those who didn't want to be part of a machine or have some other personal beef toward us.

Take that away and the Left wins every national election going forward by double-digits without trying.


This of course ignores the fact that whether it was a double dissolution of the duopoly or (especially) a sole dissolution of Labor, the duopoly would be back in full-force in 6 months tops. The dynamics that made it take a year for the duopoly to return after the last Dissolution are far weaker today for a variety of reasons.

This obvious reality is not absent on the right, its mostly desperation clouding judgment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Who are those New Democrat/DLC types that a moderate could have flipped?

Idk, but a more moderate candidate would have also held the right wing defections that the right lost in Feb 2020 which is enough to win them the Presidency. A brand new party system would bring a lot of questions that we don't have answers to.

If you can’t name specific voters to a question like this, then it’s probably no one. This isn’t RL politics to the extent RL politics work this way.

Like Joe McCarthy he speaks of lists of travelers but ever fails to produce the the names so often alluded to and hinted at. Perhaps it is just his shopping list or the receipt from the grocery store he is frantically waving about, we may never know.

Please do not compare this to Joe McCarthy. Also as others said if there was a more moderate nominee who didn't voice support for toxic third rail policies, the right would've won in February. Rebranding as the Lib Dems could also allow for the right to attract center left/center zombie voters from the forum as well as defections from Labor.

There is a vast gulf between not lobbing hand grenades that alienate certain voters and remaking yourself into Nick Clegg. We would lose 30 people instantly and still not get Tim Turner's vote.