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« Reply #325 on: December 04, 2021, 11:57:26 AM »

Pecresse elected with 61 % (and 69K votes). No surprise. Good result for Ciotti.

How is it a good result for him? That's not a particularly close margin

He didn't have a favourable vote transfer environment. All 3 drop outs were closer to Pecresse.

But it's also Umengus being Umengus and spinning even the slightest thing in the right's favour. You have to understand him, he comes from a political environment where his cucked right-wing party celebrate coming 7th place in the entire country and their leader not even elected by preference votes.
I remember Al saying that Umengus is a supporter of VB.

I'm just conservative, in the US expression.
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« Reply #326 on: December 04, 2021, 12:03:07 PM »

Pecresse elected with 61 % (and 69K votes). No surprise. Good result for Ciotti.

How is it a good result for him? That's not a particularly close margin

He didn't have a favourable vote transfer environment. All 3 drop outs were closer to Pecresse.

But it's also Umengus being Umengus and spinning even the slightest thing in the right's favour. You have to understand him, he comes from a political environment where his cucked right-wing party celebrate coming 7th place in the entire country and their leader not even elected by preference votes.

it's a shame that modrikamen was not elected. But I live in a socialiste paradise so...

But indeed, it's a good result for ciotti considering the environement. And considering that ciotti is not a very charismatic guy.
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« Reply #327 on: December 04, 2021, 12:25:03 PM »
« Edited: December 04, 2021, 12:37:06 PM by parochial boy »

Sure, yeah - 4 million votes in overall in 2016, 114 thousand this time. Doesn't really say very much except that the traditional right's electorate is smaller and has considerably radicalised even in the space of the last 5 years.

(yes somewhat facetious given it wasn't an open primary this time, but the ecologists had almost as many votes an no-one went around saying Rousseau getting 49% was a great results for the woke left)
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« Reply #328 on: December 04, 2021, 11:12:17 PM »

1. The video makes all these evocations to French "grandeur" (some would say "delusions of grandeur") - and yet the entire soundtrack is Beethoven - who was German! You'd think he'd at least find some inspirational French music.

One doesn't really think of "inspirational" or "heroic" when one thinks of French composers. The best I can think of is that it would have been very funny if Zemmour went all the way back to Lully for a roi soleil announcement video




Although someone could point out he was an Italian immigrant. Tongue
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« Reply #329 on: December 05, 2021, 05:03:02 AM »

He didn't have a favourable vote transfer environment. All 3 drop outs were closer to Pecresse.

But it's also Umengus being Umengus and spinning even the slightest thing in the right's favour. You have to understand him, he comes from a political environment where his cucked right-wing party celebrate coming 7th place in the entire country and their leader not even elected by preference votes.

I mean, the Belgian right might described in many ways, but "doing poorly" is not one of them. There is  still a firm right of centre majority in Belgium's national parliament. Of course there is a massive divide with the Walloon right doing miserable by right wing European standards while in Flanders it does absolutely amazing. (so if Umengus is Waloon I guess the point stands, but not for Belgium at-large)
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« Reply #330 on: December 05, 2021, 05:46:23 AM »

He didn't have a favourable vote transfer environment. All 3 drop outs were closer to Pecresse.

But it's also Umengus being Umengus and spinning even the slightest thing in the right's favour. You have to understand him, he comes from a political environment where his cucked right-wing party celebrate coming 7th place in the entire country and their leader not even elected by preference votes.

I mean, the Belgian right might described in many ways, but "doing poorly" is not one of them. There is  still a firm right of centre majority in Belgium's national parliament. Of course there is a massive divide with the Walloon right doing miserable by right wing European standards while in Flanders it does absolutely amazing. (so if Umengus is Waloon I guess the point stands, but not for Belgium at-large)

Yes I'm sure Umengus cheerleads the flemish far right as much as the French one because like many in BéWé he is a quisling but that's for the belgian thread. Let's not clutter the French one with the staye of the WalloBrux (far) right.
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« Reply #331 on: December 05, 2021, 03:14:00 PM »

He didn't have a favourable vote transfer environment. All 3 drop outs were closer to Pecresse.

But it's also Umengus being Umengus and spinning even the slightest thing in the right's favour. You have to understand him, he comes from a political environment where his cucked right-wing party celebrate coming 7th place in the entire country and their leader not even elected by preference votes.

I mean, the Belgian right might described in many ways, but "doing poorly" is not one of them. There is  still a firm right of centre majority in Belgium's national parliament. Of course there is a massive divide with the Walloon right doing miserable by right wing European standards while in Flanders it does absolutely amazing. (so if Umengus is Waloon I guess the point stands, but not for Belgium at-large)

Yes I'm sure Umengus cheerleads the flemish far right as much as the French one because like many in BéWé he is a quisling but that's for the belgian thread. Let's not clutter the French one with the staye of the WalloBrux (far) right.

Why do get all angry and nasty on the International boards?  Anyone would think you're American...
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« Reply #332 on: December 05, 2021, 03:50:27 PM »

Apparently Zemmour is creating a party to be called “Reconquete”. Sounds like the “reconquista” in French…and the Reconquista is when Spain expelled or murdered all Jews and Muslims….caveat emptor
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« Reply #333 on: December 05, 2021, 04:06:38 PM »

Apparently Zemmour is creating a party to be called “Reconquete”. Sounds like the “reconquista” in French…and the Reconquista is when Spain expelled or murdered all Jews and Muslims….caveat emptor

Zemmour is Jewish so I doubt that is the image he had in mind.  Besides the Reconquista is not about the expelling and murder of Jews and Muslims.  No more than the Umayyad conquest of Hispania is about the murder of Christians.  That only took place at the very end of the 700-year process.  During most of Reconquista if you had the "wrong religion" on either side of the various kingdoms you just paid an extra tax and that was the end of it. 
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« Reply #334 on: December 05, 2021, 04:52:26 PM »

Supposedly Zemmour is Jewish and yet he spreads anti-Semitic memes about Dreyfus having been guilty and he supports the French collaboration with the Nazis in Vichy France under Petain.
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« Reply #335 on: December 05, 2021, 04:56:13 PM »
« Edited: December 05, 2021, 05:01:39 PM by Southern Delegate Punxsutawney Phil »

Supposedly Zemmour is Jewish and yet he spreads anti-Semitic memes about Dreyfus having been guilty and he supports the French collaboration with the Nazis in Vichy France under Petain.

My theory is that Zemmour, while inarguably Jewish, sees Dreyfus as a man of the left, and because he's a man of the left, it's okay to think something uncharitable about him.
He could care less about what the Right of a ten dozen years ago said about Dreyfus. He cares about the political affiliation of Dreyfus' defenders. This is what happens when you place left-right tribalism over literally everything else.
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« Reply #336 on: December 06, 2021, 03:23:13 AM »
« Edited: December 06, 2021, 03:07:37 PM by Virginiá »

Zemmour is ethnically Jewish but he's renounced his religion iirc. Calls himself a cultural Catholic even.

He didn't have a favourable vote transfer environment. All 3 drop outs were closer to Pecresse.

But it's also Umengus being Umengus and spinning even the slightest thing in the right's favour. You have to understand him, he comes from a political environment where his cucked right-wing party celebrate coming 7th place in the entire country and their leader not even elected by preference votes.

I mean, the Belgian right might described in many ways, but "doing poorly" is not one of them. There is  still a firm right of centre majority in Belgium's national parliament. Of course there is a massive divide with the Walloon right doing miserable by right wing European standards while in Flanders it does absolutely amazing. (so if Umengus is Waloon I guess the point stands, but not for Belgium at-large)

Yes I'm sure Umengus cheerleads the flemish far right as much as the French one because like many in BéWé he is a quisling but that's for the belgian thread. Let's not clutter the French one with the staye of the WalloBrux (far) right.

Why do get all angry and nasty on the International boards?  Anyone would think you're American...

Ah yeah when the Right do it's memeing when the Left do it it's angry.
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« Reply #337 on: December 06, 2021, 07:20:03 AM »

Supposedly Zemmour is Jewish and yet he spreads anti-Semitic memes about Dreyfus having been guilty and he supports the French collaboration with the Nazis in Vichy France under Petain.


you can think that dreyfus was guilty (he was not guilty) without to be antisemite. And Zemmour doesn't support vichy but he adheres to the theory of "the sword (de Gaulle) and the shield (Pétain)" (and he's wrong again)
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« Reply #338 on: December 06, 2021, 07:38:26 AM »


Go back to thinking about new ways to hate gays in your spare time old timer

Will do - but I'm 21.
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« Reply #339 on: December 06, 2021, 08:11:06 AM »

Should Hidalgo and Melenchon become only one candidature? Should one of them decline and support the other?
Probably, if both run, the left will not go to the runoff.
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« Reply #340 on: December 06, 2021, 08:20:58 AM »

Should Hidalgo and Melenchon become only one candidature? Should one of them decline and support the other?
Probably, if both run, the left will not go to the runoff.

Should? Unless Macron collapses the combined left candidates lack the support to advance unless there is a single serious candidate.

Will they? Unlikely for many reasons already elaborated on, and Melenchon is unlikely to be the endorsee if on of the several candidates aligned with the left drops - and he isn't likely to drop out even if his support craters to below 5%.
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« Reply #341 on: December 06, 2021, 09:01:46 AM »

Should Hidalgo and Melenchon become only one candidature? Should one of them decline and support the other?
Probably, if both run, the left will not go to the runoff.

Hidalgo and Jadot merging campaigns makes far more sense than Melenchon and pretty much anyone else on the French Left.

All of the left are running against each other and using the Presidential election to see who wins the right to be the official spokesperson for the Left for a grand total of 2 weeks and making sure their representatives get to the Assembly. The actual runners have giant enough egos to think they can win but their parties are the ones telling them what they want to hear so that they stay relevant throughout the legislative campaign.

Has any left-wing candidate come out with a strategy of what to do if they get to the second round?
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« Reply #342 on: December 06, 2021, 11:56:38 AM »

Why is Hidalgo even running for President? She has zero chance of making the run-off and she already has a very big job as mayor of Paris. How does it help her politically to get distracted with a suicidal presidential run that can only end in disaster? Why not just focus on being Madame Paris?
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« Reply #343 on: December 06, 2021, 12:00:02 PM »


Go back to thinking about new ways to hate gays in your spare time old timer

Will do - but I'm 21.

21 and Evangelical...that's just sad. You should be getting tossed off in a park somewhere, not happy clappying along to songs about castrating LGBT people.

Who said that these two things are mutually exclusive?
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« Reply #344 on: December 06, 2021, 12:15:29 PM »


Go back to thinking about new ways to hate gays in your spare time old timer

Will do - but I'm 21.

21 and Evangelical...that's just sad. You should be getting tossed off in a park somewhere, not happy clappying along to songs about castrating LGBT people.

Who said that these two things are mutually exclusive?

I'll leave you and Conservatopia to it!
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« Reply #345 on: December 06, 2021, 02:48:07 PM »

Imagine of the run-off actually ended up being Macron vs Pecresse! I think Macron would still be heavily favoured and alot of LePen voters would stay home...but symbolically it would be a big deal to knock the two facsists (LePen and Zemmour) out of the run-off and instead have a more conventional conservative in the run-off against Macron.

It would be the most exciting run-off since Georges Pompidou vs Alain Poher in 1969 (that was a joke)
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« Reply #346 on: December 06, 2021, 04:03:13 PM »

Imagine of the run-off actually ended up being Macron vs Pecresse! I think Macron would still be heavily favoured and alot of LePen voters would stay home...but symbolically it would be a big deal to knock the two facsists (LePen and Zemmour) out of the run-off and instead have a more conventional conservative in the run-off against Macron.

It would be the most exciting run-off since Georges Pompidou vs Alain Poher in 1969 (that was a joke)

Pecresse isnt much better than Le Pen.
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« Reply #347 on: December 06, 2021, 04:35:50 PM »


I'm aware of that. Though from what I've heard Pecresse is someone with a very mainstream, French establishment pedigree who is opportunistically singing from the LePen song book to get votes - but she probably doesn't believe most of what she's saying. Its like George Bush Sr. running Willy Horton ads etc...privately he found it distasteful - but he was still willing to say and do anything to win
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« Reply #348 on: December 06, 2021, 04:59:10 PM »


Go back to thinking about new ways to hate gays in your spare time old timer

Will do - but I'm 21.

21 and Evangelical...that's just sad. You should be getting tossed off in a park somewhere, not happy clappying along to songs about castrating LGBT people.

Who said that these two things are mutually exclusive?

I'll leave you and Conservatopia to it!

Alas, unlike your good self I don’t need to engage in cottaging.
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« Reply #349 on: December 06, 2021, 05:32:28 PM »

Can we get back to discussing the 2022 French presidential election? I don't care about any of these personal grievances.
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