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Someone with female anatomy
 
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Someone who uses she/her (or she/they) pronouns
 
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Someone who presents femininely/follows feminine stereotypes
 
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Someone with the “brain sex” of a female
 
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Someone who calls themselves a woman
 
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« on: April 20, 2021, 01:44:42 AM »

Didn’t include a “something else” option cause that would be a cop-out.

I firmly say that this ISN’T trolling, just wanted to see some discussion on the topic, because it’s one that I have seen many, many different opinions on.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2021, 02:22:15 AM »

Just pointing out that #1 includes babies + young kids
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2021, 02:54:26 AM »

While we're busy debating how to redefine basic English words and inventing new and innovative ways to be gay, Chinese teenagers are right now developing the military technology that will someday be used to put us in our place.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2021, 08:41:30 PM »

I don’t believe that gender even exists. Some people define woman as whoever identifies with that label and/or is treated as a woman societally and I think that is a functional definition.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2021, 10:23:23 PM »

So based on the results of this poll, it appears most Atlasians do not believe in the identity of trans people, but still respect them by doing things like using their preferred pronouns. Interesting.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2021, 10:25:02 PM »

While we're busy debating how to redefine basic English words and inventing new and innovative ways to be gay, Chinese teenagers are right now developing the military technology that will someday be used to put us in our place.

Blessed future.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2021, 10:33:21 PM »

What is "brain sex"? I am not going to google it for fear of the results.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2021, 10:44:02 PM »

What is "brain sex"? I am not going to google it for fear of the results.

Is that what those "sapiosexuals" are into these days
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2021, 10:55:56 PM »

What is "brain sex"? I am not going to google it for fear of the results.

Is that what those "sapiosexuals" are into these days

Sapiosexual sounds like someone who's into primitive humans.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2021, 11:34:06 PM »

What is "brain sex"? I am not going to google it for fear of the results.

“Brain sex” is pretty much the idea that, just as their is such thing a “male” body and “female” body, there is also such thing as a “male” brain and ”female” brain, and, just as male bodies and female bodies are different, male brains and female brains are also different (these differences are not often explained in a way that is any near as consistent as the way physical differences between males and females are described, however).

In relation to trans issues, the theory then goes that, in a vast majority of people, their brain sex and body sex are the same. However, in some individuals, their is a mismatch, which is how you get transgender people. It’s important to note that believers of this theory are emphatically against the idea of gender being a social construct.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2021, 11:55:51 PM »

While we're busy debating how to redefine basic English words and inventing new and innovative ways to be gay, Chinese teenagers are right now developing the military technology that will someday be used to put us in our place.
I look forward to the liberation.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2021, 02:39:36 PM »

Wow, looks like 70% of this forum is TRANSPHOBIC TERFS!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2021, 03:52:26 PM »

I usually follow the Doc Impossible rule: "You feel like you're a girl, you live it, it's part of you? Then you're a girl." And if that makes me a cisphobic CERF, then by all means.
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2021, 03:59:50 PM »

Obviously option #5 is the most correct and most polite.
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2021, 04:08:24 PM »

While we're busy debating how to redefine basic English words and inventing new and innovative ways to be gay, Chinese teenagers are right now developing the military technology that will someday be used to put us in our place.

while you're busy being a transphobic edgelord on the internet, my closest irl trans friend works for the Pentagon where she develops improvements to the guidance systems of America's Trident SLBM arsenal -- a crucial nuclear deterrent against China

your false dichotomy is as absurd as it is offensive
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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2021, 05:11:20 PM »

While we're busy debating how to redefine basic English words and inventing new and innovative ways to be gay, Chinese teenagers are right now developing the military technology that will someday be used to put us in our place.

while you're busy being a transphobic edgelord on the internet, my closest irl trans friend works for the Pentagon where she develops improvements to the guidance systems of America's Trident SLBM arsenal -- a crucial nuclear deterrent against China

your false dichotomy is as absurd as it is offensive

Hey now, I was cleared on all charges of transphobia by the official Atlas courts. Why, some of my best imaginary friends are trans drone pilots of color.
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2021, 06:47:05 PM »

Option 5. What else could it be? It's a cultural label we made up.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2021, 06:50:20 PM »
« Edited: April 22, 2021, 07:01:33 PM by John Adams »

While we're busy debating how to redefine basic English words and inventing new and innovative ways to be gay, Chinese teenagers are right now developing the military technology that will someday be used to put us in our place.

while you're busy being a transphobic edgelord on the internet, my closest irl trans friend works for the Pentagon where she develops improvements to the guidance systems of America's Trident SLBM arsenal -- a crucial nuclear deterrent against China

your false dichotomy is as absurd as it is offensive

Hey now, I was cleared on all charges of transphobia by the official Atlas courts. Why, some of my best imaginary friends are trans drone pilots of color.

Do said trans drone pilots of color oppose universal healthcare? If so, please call me, I am recruiting Democratic Senate candidates in red states.
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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2021, 06:54:50 PM »

Option 5. What else could it be? It's a cultural label we made up.

A biological one?
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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2021, 07:02:33 PM »

Option 5. What else could it be? It's a cultural label we made up.

A biological one?

When did you become transphobic?
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2021, 07:14:01 PM »

I'm very curious as to how differently a "How would you define 'man'?" thread would go, since most rabid transphobes of both the vanilla and TERF persuasions seem to completely ignore trans men, and having key differences in the experiences required to socially qualify as a "real" man vs. a "real" woman is nearly a cultural universal.
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2021, 07:17:29 PM »

Is that supposed to be a comeback?
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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2021, 07:48:53 PM »

I'm very curious as to how differently a "How would you define 'man'?" thread would go, since most rabid transphobes of both the vanilla and TERF persuasions seem to completely ignore trans men, and having key differences in the experiences required to socially qualify as a "real" man vs. a "real" woman is nearly a cultural universal.

I'm fairly certain that if a disappointed father tells his son "You're not a real man," he doesn't mean it literally.
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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2021, 09:13:18 PM »

Option 5. What else could it be? It's a cultural label we made up.

Just because it’s a cultural label, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a definition beyond what someone calls themselves. The definition of “black” is also a cultural label, but if a white person started dropping the n-word around you and said “black is just a cultural label, I can call myself black, and that’s 100% legitimate” you would say “black might be a cultural label, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t still have a real definition- one that you don’t fall under.”
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2021, 09:18:09 PM »

I'm very curious as to how differently a "How would you define 'man'?" thread would go, since most rabid transphobes of both the vanilla and TERF persuasions seem to completely ignore trans men, and having key differences in the experiences required to socially qualify as a "real" man vs. a "real" woman is nearly a cultural universal.

I made this poll with the intention that whatever the results were here could be easily applied to men as well.
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