Pro-Trump lawmakers create "Anglo Saxon Caucus"

[ProudModerate2]

Back in the day they used to just call this the Ku Klux Klan.

[Adam Griffin]

https://twitter.com/MPLSGroove/status/1383458272670142465

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

If you think that's a bad thing, yes?

As much as it pains me to say it, as a Celt, the Irish-Americans in New York did have terrible politics back then.

[Red Velvet]

Imagine being so proud of **checks it** “Anglo-Saxon” genetics lmaooooo

What does that even mean? British racial supremacy? And what are these “British” values that only Canada, US, UK, Australia and New Zealand are supposed to share? Why so attached to your colonizer when you’re independent country, not a colony?

It’s an identity trauma most American countries with white majority population have to eventually go through, accept that despite how “privileged” they see themselves, the land never really belonged to them. They are not Europeans, they are Americans. Accept what “American” means in all its historical background.

And while it’s not the new generations fault as descendants for the genocide that happened in colonial times, it’s their responsibility to push for full independence from racist structures created in the past and push for multiculturalism. Because in the end that’s what the continent is about, a place of invasion where multiple people clashed and chose (or didn’t, in the case of some) to live together.

It makes no sense to see such European nationalism in America so many years after independence. It’s like these people still see themselves as British, Spanish or Portuguese invaders living in a conquered foreign land.

Real nationalists who are proud of their land would kick these people’s butt all the way to Europe. Only these such narratives can at least make some minimal sense. In reality, these people are the ones who hate their countries.

In case you didn't pay any attention after writing that wall of text, you'd realize that no one is calling for "British racial supremacy", nor anything about superior gentics, and nothing about installing or preserving structures meant to oppress minorities..

It's about reminding people about how the entity known as the United States of America came to be, and where it's insitutions came from. It's about celebrating the positives about the ancestry of certain individuals living in the country, like many other ethnicities and people, who rightfully should have the chance to celebrate where they came from and who they are... and you know what's even more amazing? No one in this newsstory is claiming that Anglos or their culture is superior to others, only that it should be promoted more.

It’s just super weird for me the idea of people wanting to kiss the ass of European colonizers by organizing an “Anglo-Saxon” group to identify themselves with, but whatever works for you, I guess.

My opinion is that it looks very humiliating and anti-American that kind of thing because it shows these people continuously have to associate themselves with Europe in order to feel pride or whatever their goal is. When they’re in fact, not Europeans and never will be regardless of what it’s in their genetics or who their grandparents were. They’re Americans but they look like people who believe they’re colonizers living in a land that isn’t theirs. It’s quite sad actually.

[Badger]

Why isn't there a Celtic Caucus?

Complete and utter lack of a need?

Seriously, what issues do Irish Americans exclusively face today in America?

[Badger]

History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

Because that is racist, genius. We have demonstrated the ability to absorb such individuals who aren't from England for about 250 years now. Hell, Benton Franklin expressed concern and all the German immigrants coming in whether or not they could be properly assimilated. Dude, what you're saying right now would have been naked Lee racist in the 1920s. Or hell even in the 1820s.

[Badger]

History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

I should also point out that less than 10% of Americans are primarily of English descent, so if immigration from other countries harms those traditions, it would have finished us off centuries ago.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Why isn't there a Celtic Caucus?

Complete and utter lack of a need?

Seriously, what issues do Irish Americans exclusively face today in America?

It was a joke.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Why the  was my post deleted?!!  Put it back.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

I should also point out that less than 10% of Americans are primarily of English descent, so if immigration from other countries harms those traditions, it would have finished us off centuries ago.

if you are going to empty quote a post at least make it one that has some familiarity with how ancestry is counted by most people in this country.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The ironic thing about this whole debate is the insistence that immigration makes *no meaningful difference at all* to the culture of the destination country is close to a uniquely Anglophone idea.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The ironic thing about this whole debate is the insistence that immigration makes *no meaningful difference at all* to the culture of the destination country is close to a uniquely Anglophone idea.

Who exactly is insisting that? There’s a big gulf between “immigration won’t destroy XYZ traditions” and “immigration has no meaningful effect”.

[LostFellow]

History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

I should also point out that less than 10% of Americans are primarily of English descent, so if immigration from other countries harms those traditions, it would have finished us off centuries ago.

if you are going to empty quote a post at least make it one that has some familiarity with how ancestry is counted by most people in this country.

Why do you think you're smarter than everyone else on this topic? If MTG et al. are creating a caucus that believes that "uniquely Anglo-Saxon traditions" are threatened by immigrants like my family which has been contributing to the civic nature of our communities for decades, I know that they're just being racist pricks.

Some of the strongest democratic tendencies in the world today are in nations like South Korea, Israel, etc., and even if they are originally inspired by "anglo-saxon political customs," their contemporary culture and peoples are better examples of functioning republican governance than the US today.

Not to also mention that the blurb in the document stating that immigrants before the 1965 immigration and nationality act were primarily high-skilled is a complete joke. Immigrants to the US today certainly are more high skilled on average than immigrants during the 19th century and early 20th century. And the fact that these lawmakers even bring this act up certainly makes me think they are caring more about nationality than "anglo-saxon political traditions."

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Back in the day they used to just call this the Ku Klux Klan.

English is so weird with all the silent Ks.

One silent K in knot
Two silent Ks in knuckle
Three silent Ks in Republican
Four silent Ks in knickknack

(First seen on Democratic Underground.)

[Diabolical Materialism]

Why isn't there a Celtic Caucus?

Complete and utter lack of a need?

Seriously, what issues do Irish Americans exclusively face today in America?

Sometimes the corner store is out of Mickey's

[GALeftist]

History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

I should also point out that less than 10% of Americans are primarily of English descent, so if immigration from other countries harms those traditions, it would have finished us off centuries ago.

if you are going to empty quote a post at least make it one that has some familiarity with how ancestry is counted by most people in this country.

Ancestry in this country is counted by most people in a racist way. The fact that a person of "Anglo-Saxon culture" (if such a thing even existed in the contemporary United States, which it does not) might consider a Syrian person to be from a "completely different culture" but not a Russian person does not actually mean that that person is correct.

[Torie]

An interesting "what if" scenario is if the US had banned all those not from Northern Europe (plus the Celtic Catholic Irish of course), from immigrating in around say 1840. It would not be pretty, at all. Among other things the South would have won the Civil War (in fact the huge immigration into the North in the 1850's was what made the critical difference, and the South realized it was now or never with the election of Lincoln, but it was too late for them by then), and perhaps the Nazi's would now be ruling the world. Just a thought.

[HisGrace]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Black_Caucus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Asian_Pacific_American_Caucus

...a bicameral caucus consisting of members of the United States Congress who have a strong interest in promoting Asian American and Pacific Islander (AAPI) issues and advocating the concerns of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders...

To ensure that legislation passed by the United States Congress, to the greatest extent possible, provides for the full participation of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders and reflects the concerns and needs of the Asian American and Pacific Islander communities;
To educate other Members of Congress about the history, contributions and concerns of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders;

To establish policies on legislation and issues relating to persons of Asian and/or Pacific Islands ancestry who are citizens or nationals of, residents of, or immigrants to, the United States, its territories and possessions; and To provide a structure to coordinate the efforts, and enhance the ability, of the Asian American and Pacific Islander Members of Congress to accomplish those goals.[1]

What's the difference exactly...?

.... do I really have to explain what privilege and racism is to you?

Yes, please do.

You understand why congressional caucuses exist, right? They address specific issues or groups that have interests that need to be addressed. There are many issues impacting Black Americans and there are many issues impacting Asians and Pacific Islanders - issues that impact them because of racism in this country. Whites do not experience systemic racism and therefor do not need a congressional caucus.

Notice how you didn't answer the question.

True, it’s because I don’t take you seriously as a poster. Please don’t take offense, that’s just how it is. If you haven’t worked out yet why racial dynamics aren’t symmetrical and minority rights aren’t the same as pandering to white racism, I don’t care.

The argument presented earlier in the thread by posters and linked tweets was that it was intrinsically exclusionary to have a congressional caucus only open to one ethnic group ("we don't judge you based on your bloodline") which would apply just as much to the Black/Asian caucuses as it does here. The argument was not that you should have to live by a completely different moral standard depending on what color your skin is.

Yes, this is obviously bad, but really so are any other caucuses based on race/ethnicity. With the country continuing to be torn apart we need to try to find shared identity as Americans and not split into a bunch of little groups.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

I should also point out that less than 10% of Americans are primarily of English descent, so if immigration from other countries harms those traditions, it would have finished us off centuries ago.

if you are going to empty quote a post at least make it one that has some familiarity with how ancestry is counted by most people in this country.

Ancestry in this country is counted by most people in a racist way. The fact that a person of "Anglo-Saxon culture" (if such a thing even existed in the contemporary United States, which it does not) might consider a Syrian person to be from a "completely different culture" but not a Russian person does not actually mean that that person is correct.

I mean people counting their own ancestry.   Does anyone here really think North New England and Mormonland are the only places where Americans could find a large amount of English ancestry if they traced their family trees all the way back?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

I should also point out that less than 10% of Americans are primarily of English descent, so if immigration from other countries harms those traditions, it would have finished us off centuries ago.

if you are going to empty quote a post at least make it one that has some familiarity with how ancestry is counted by most people in this country.

Why do you think you're smarter than everyone else on this topic?

If you use accusations of racism as a crutch, you don't need to be smart to win an argument.
Especially when 90% of people are liberal and conservatives' posts get deleted for no reason!

[Brittain33]

The argument presented earlier in the thread by posters and linked tweets was that it was intrinsically exclusionary to have a congressional caucus only open to one ethnic group ("we don't judge you based on your bloodline") which would apply just as much to the Black/Asian caucuses as it does here. The argument was not that you should have to live by a completely different moral standard depending on what color your skin is.

Hello His Grace,

One, those groups aren’t only “open” to people of that ancestry but are about the interests of those communities, and two, if you go find the posts where I gave objections, I made a very specific different objection to comparing those groups to a white nationalist group which is different than what you’re referring to.

[Hindsight was 2020]

History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

Because American history is full of some many examples of this that your demanding the equivalent of a detailed argument of justifying why one would say the sky is blue. Pretty anyone who has read an American history textbook on the 19-20th century knows the original quote and your further defense of it is debunked 19th century xenophobic bull. But I’ll do you one better and instead of giving a detailed breakdown of why your arguments on immigration being a threat to democracy are garbage just show the debunking of your argument in one image