Florida or Ohio? Which will vote further left?

[TDAS04]

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[Xing]

Florida, and it won’t be close.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Florida, and it won’t be close.

Lol D's cam win both of them split voting 2022, you gotta believe in the blue wave and Brown is on ballot in 2024

[SnowLabrador]

Florida, and it won’t be close.

[Roll Roons]

Look, I know the past couple cycles have been very disappointing for Democrats in Florida. Yes, DeSantis and Rubio are clearly favored for reelection next year. But from the way people talk about it on here, you'd think it's as red as Oklahoma. Trump only won it by 3 points. It's not some impenetrable Titanium R stronghold.

Two more things to consider:
-A Republican-held Senate seat will be up in 2024, and will be one of the few targets in a year when Democrats will be playing heavy defense.
-Florida is gaining an electoral vote, while the big blue states of California, Illinois and New York will each lose one.

[Alben Barkley]

Look, I know the past couple cycles have been very disappointing for Democrats in Florida. Yes, DeSantis and Rubio are clearly favored for reelection next year. But from the way people talk about it on here, you'd think it's as red as Oklahoma. Trump only won it by 3 points. It's not some impenetrable Titanium R stronghold.

Two more things to consider:
-A Republican-held Senate seat will be up in 2024, and will be one of the few targets in a year when Democrats will be playing heavy defense.
-Florida is gaining an electoral vote, while the big blue states of California, Illinois and New York will each lose one.

Look at Florida. You now have Democrats saying Florida is a lost cause. Really? In 2018 in Florida, giving felons the right to vote got 64 percent. In 2020, a $15 minimum wage, which we have no chance of passing [federally], got 67 percent. Has anyone in the Democratic Party said maybe there’s nothing wrong with the state of Florida? Maybe the problem is the kind of campaigns we’re running?

If you gave me an environment in which the majority of voters wanted to expand the franchise to felons and raise the minimum wage, I should be able to win that. It’s certainly not a political environment I’m destined to lose in.

[Literally Just a Contrarian]

Definitely Florida, but both states are gone.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Florida, and it won’t be close.

You really think OH is gonna stay red forever with a significant Africa American population, no it's not, we won OH in 2018, you know with Brown

The state isn't IA

[Literally Just a Contrarian]

Florida, and it won’t be close.

You really think OH is gonna stay red forever with a significant Africa American population, no it's not, we won OH in 2018, you know with Brown

The state isn't IA

The African American population that’s 20% and declining?

[Utah Neolib]

Florida. Ohio could easily go red by 10 plus points, while Florida in 2024, at maximum will only go red by 5 points.

[Oregon Eagle Politics]

Florida, and it won’t be close.

You really think OH is gonna stay red forever with a significant Africa American population, no it's not, we won OH in 2018, you know with Brown

The state isn't IA

The African American population that’s 20% and declining?

OH's Black Population isn't declining, it just isn't gaining %.

[EastwoodS]

Florida. Ohio could easily go red by 10 plus points, while Florida in 2024, at maximum will only go red by 5 points.

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That’s not our max.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Florida. Ohio could easily go red by 10 plus points, while Florida in 2024, at maximum will only go red by 5 points.

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That’s not our max.

Sherrod Brown won in 2018, by six pts, you guys think that OH, IA, NC and FL are gonna vote FOREVER R while you think MI, WI and PA can go red that is very funy Biden was running on the same ballot a Obama and won the PVI by 5.0 and you guys are trailing by 5 on Generic ballot and Biden has a 60% Approvals

Just because Trump won them in 2020 before the Insurrectionists, Trump flipping Mahoning County that is a blue county where Afro Americans live

[EastwoodS]

Florida. Ohio could easily go red by 10 plus points, while Florida in 2024, at maximum will only go red by 5 points.

That’s not our max.

Sherrod Brown won in 2018, by six pts, you guys think that OH, IA, NC and FL are gonna vote FOREVER R while you think MI, WI and PA can go red that is very funy Biden was running on the same ballot a Obama and won the PVI by 5.0 and you guys are trailing by 5 on Generic ballot and Biden has a 60% Approvals

We’re only trailing by 5 this early on? That’s great.

[Literally Just a Contrarian]

Florida. Ohio could easily go red by 10 plus points, while Florida in 2024, at maximum will only go red by 5 points.

DeSantis would win FL by way over 5, around 8+. Even Trump would probably win FL by 5-7 in 2024 considering trends.

[S019]

The one that is a swing state

[Chips]

FL.

[Utah Neolib]

Florida. Ohio could easily go red by 10 plus points, while Florida in 2024, at maximum will only go red by 5 points.

DeSantis would win FL by way over 5, around 8+. Even Trump would probably win FL by 5-7 in 2024 considering trends.

DeSantis would do great in Florida but not THAT good

[Literally Just a Contrarian]

Florida. Ohio could easily go red by 10 plus points, while Florida in 2024, at maximum will only go red by 5 points.

DeSantis would win FL by way over 5, around 8+. Even Trump would probably win FL by 5-7 in 2024 considering trends.

DeSantis would do great in Florida but not THAT good

People fail to realize Florida has been trending Republican since 2004. I think DeSantis 2024, if it ever happens, will be the straw that breaks the Camel’s back and finally turn it into another Ohio/Iowa, or a reverse Virginia/Colorado.

Just my opinion. I know DeSantis is overrated sometimes (mostly when it comes to the Rust Belt) but not when it comes to Florida itself.

[Would vote for Hillary Clinton over Joe Biden.]

Florida, and it won’t be close.

You really think OH is gonna stay red forever with a significant Africa American population, no it's not, we won OH in 2018, you know with Brown

The state isn't IA

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Actually, it is. Ohio will vote to the right of Utah in 2024.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Florida, and it won’t be close.

You really think OH is gonna stay red forever with a significant Africa American population, no it's not, we won OH in 2018, you know with Brown

The state isn't IA

[/b]
Actually, it is. Ohio will vote to the right of Utah in 2024.

No it won't, it has 15 percent Afro Americans, Utah has 3 percent

[bagelman]

Florida, and it won’t be close.

You really think OH is gonna stay red forever with a significant Africa American population, no it's not, we won OH in 2018, you know with Brown

The state isn't IA

[/b]
Actually, it is. Ohio will vote to the right of Utah in 2024.

Ohio may be gone but lol at that. Unless Utah really swings left it will remain to the right of Indiana, which will always to be the right of Ohio.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I'm as bearish on the nation's cesspool as anybody, but without a doubt there is no way it votes to Ohio's right. It is likely R while Ohio is safe R.

Look, I know the past couple cycles have been very disappointing for Democrats in Florida. Yes, DeSantis and Rubio are clearly favored for reelection next year. But from the way people talk about it on here, you'd think it's as red as Oklahoma. Trump only won it by 3 points. It's not some impenetrable Titanium R stronghold.

Two more things to consider:
-A Republican-held Senate seat will be up in 2024, and will be one of the few targets in a year when Democrats will be playing heavy defense.
-Florida is gaining an electoral vote, while the big blue states of California, Illinois and New York will each lose one.

Look at Florida. You now have Democrats saying Florida is a lost cause. Really? In 2018 in Florida, giving felons the right to vote got 64 percent. In 2020, a $15 minimum wage, which we have no chance of passing [federally], got 67 percent. Has anyone in the Democratic Party said maybe there’s nothing wrong with the state of Florida? Maybe the problem is the kind of campaigns we’re running?

If you gave me an environment in which the majority of voters wanted to expand the franchise to felons and raise the minimum wage, I should be able to win that. It’s certainly not a political environment I’m destined to lose in.

This is an apples-and-oranges argument. I do agree that Americans on most issues are favorable to center-left to left wing policies, the issue is that those only see action in the form of referendums. We're a republic and that means that our elections involve people physically running to act on those policy ideas, and in certain states, like Florida or even Missouri where progressive initiatives have passed, Democratic candidates are near-universally rejected as other, less practical, objections get in the way of those popular agendas.

[DS0816]

Well…

• Ohio more Republican than Florida.

• Florida more Democratic than Ohio.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

There was a poll showing Ryan completetive in the Senate the State is not Utah, we won the Senate race in 2018, it has 12% Afro Americans not 3% and like it or not conservatives Tim Ryan can be Senator next yr, but DeWine will beat Whaley

I have donated to Tim Ryan. Polls showing DeSantis winning numbers is overblown, this isn't 2022 yet.

Conservatives underestimate the Afro American numbers and they are understated in many of these polls