Opinion of vaccine passports?

[Ferguson97]

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[Chips]

FF.

[Pericles]

'Freedom' passports (lol) for mass gatherings, flights and other high-risk events but for daily life like indoor dining they go too far and would likely create a backlash. Also people working in nursing homes should be required to get vaccinated, and certain other high-risk occupations depending on the situation. For example in New Zealand border control workers who have not gotten the vaccine should not keep those jobs, because it could cause a Covid outbreak within the country before we have herd immunity. However, in the US since Covid is spreading so much in the population it probably isn't worth it to require it of those employees (though if new variants are significantly riskier, then it's worth considering).

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

FP but their use should be substantially limited to contexts where they would be effective.

[dead0man]

nope

[politicallefty]

I support the idea for areas that haven't reached a sufficient vaccination level.

[vitoNova]

Massive FF

Imagine going to bars where only vaxx-ed people are allowed inside (some DC nighttime venues are petitioning the mayor for this).

That would absolutely be the bee's knees. 

[Damocles]

FF. They help solve the problem of incomplete information. When you go to a venue that requires a vaccine passport prior to entry, you can reasonably be sure that everyone else in the venue is also vaccinated. This means that you can actually cut loose and enjoy yourself, rather than worrying about whether you’ll get COVID.

Those creating fraudulent vaccine certificates are doing a disservice not only to others, but to themselves. They are voluntarily foregoing a vaccine’s protective qualities, while demanding to be treated like everyone else in the venue. If that isn’t a childish entitlement, I don’t know what is.

[Del Tachi]

nope

[AGA]

How would this even be possible? The CDC cards can easily be replicated.

[ElectionsGuy]

The most significant proposed infringement on personal liberty in the intermediate future. Anybody who cares about personal freedom most fiercely oppose it. This is the TSA/Patriot Act of our time, arguably worse. But this time, it's coming from the left.

FF. They help solve the problem of incomplete information. When you go to a venue that requires a vaccine passport prior to entry, you can reasonably be sure that everyone else in the venue is also vaccinated. This means that you can actually cut loose and enjoy yourself, rather than worrying about whether you’ll get COVID.

Those creating fraudulent vaccine certificates are doing a disservice not only to others, but to themselves. They are voluntarily foregoing a vaccine’s protective qualities, while demanding to be treated like everyone else in the venue. If that isn’t a childish entitlement, I don’t know what is.

You are definitely not a libertarian.

You can also enjoy yourself and not worry about getting covid even if you don't have the vaccine. Those that have the vaccine are protected from those that don't, and those that don't are choosing not to get it at their own risk. If a vast majority of society gets the vaccine (already happening in US, is the case in Israel) then it significantly slows the spread and it becomes endemic. Young and healthy people literally have greater than 99.99% chance of survival. To continue treating this like it's a grave threat to everyone's life is just mindless paranoia.

[Damocles]

You are definitely not a libertarian.

You can also enjoy yourself and not worry about getting covid even if you don't have the vaccine. Those that have the vaccine are protected from those that don't, and those that don't are choosing not to get it at their own risk. If a vast majority of society gets the vaccine (already happening in US, is the case in Israel) then it significantly slows the spread and it becomes endemic. Young and healthy people literally have greater than 99.99% chance of survival. To continue treating this like it's a grave threat to everyone's life is just mindless paranoia.

How is it not the right of a private business owner to set the conditions for entry onto their premises?

[ElectionsGuy]

You are definitely not a libertarian.

You can also enjoy yourself and not worry about getting covid even if you don't have the vaccine. Those that have the vaccine are protected from those that don't, and those that don't are choosing not to get it at their own risk. If a vast majority of society gets the vaccine (already happening in US, is the case in Israel) then it significantly slows the spread and it becomes endemic. Young and healthy people literally have greater than 99.99% chance of survival. To continue treating this like it's a grave threat to everyone's life is just mindless paranoia.

How is it not the right of a private business owner to set the conditions for entry onto their premises?

It is, I didn't say it wasn't.

The policy itself is immoral. It should not be encouraged, even though they can do it. Good businesses should not do it, and I think good libertarians should vocally oppose it wherever it happens.

You could also make a case that this is business collecting information and colluding directly with the government, so it violates certain privacy protections that have precedent. Regardless, "Muh private business" does not excuse bad actions. You can have policy and you can have values. Private businesses performing authoritarian acts should not get praise from any libertarian.

[Ferguson97]

You are definitely not a libertarian.

You can also enjoy yourself and not worry about getting covid even if you don't have the vaccine. Those that have the vaccine are protected from those that don't, and those that don't are choosing not to get it at their own risk. If a vast majority of society gets the vaccine (already happening in US, is the case in Israel) then it significantly slows the spread and it becomes endemic. Young and healthy people literally have greater than 99.99% chance of survival. To continue treating this like it's a grave threat to everyone's life is just mindless paranoia.

How is it not the right of a private business owner to set the conditions for entry onto their premises?

It is, I didn't say it wasn't.

The policy itself is immoral. It should not be encouraged, even though they can do it. Good businesses should not do it, and I think good libertarians should vocally oppose it wherever it happens.

You could also make a case that this is business collecting information and colluding directly with the government, so it violates certain privacy protections that have precedent. Regardless, "Muh private business" does not excuse bad actions. You can have policy and you can have values. Private businesses performing authoritarian acts should not get praise from any libertarian.

Stopping the spread of a disease is “authoritarian” lol

[Dr. MB]

By the time anything remotely like this could get put into place we’ll be at 70%+ vaccinated and restrictions will be pretty much gone anyway.

[ElectionsGuy]

You are definitely not a libertarian.

You can also enjoy yourself and not worry about getting covid even if you don't have the vaccine. Those that have the vaccine are protected from those that don't, and those that don't are choosing not to get it at their own risk. If a vast majority of society gets the vaccine (already happening in US, is the case in Israel) then it significantly slows the spread and it becomes endemic. Young and healthy people literally have greater than 99.99% chance of survival. To continue treating this like it's a grave threat to everyone's life is just mindless paranoia.

How is it not the right of a private business owner to set the conditions for entry onto their premises?

It is, I didn't say it wasn't.

The policy itself is immoral. It should not be encouraged, even though they can do it. Good businesses should not do it, and I think good libertarians should vocally oppose it wherever it happens.

You could also make a case that this is business collecting information and colluding directly with the government, so it violates certain privacy protections that have precedent. Regardless, "Muh private business" does not excuse bad actions. You can have policy and you can have values. Private businesses performing authoritarian acts should not get praise from any libertarian.

Stopping the spread of a disease is “authoritarian” lol

You are telling people they have to give out their personal medical information at force to be able to conduct activities that didn't have that standard for ANY disease just back in 2019. Concerts, movie theatres, sports venues, etc. Yes, that is authoritarian. It really does feel like I'm arguing with security state apologists from the Bush era.

It also essentially creates a classist society, where the vaccinated and unvaccinated are segregated from each other. This would also exclude a lot of people of color who don't want the vaccine, so it's telling that a lot of white liberals don't want to talk about that.

[vitoNova]

Medical privacy is overrated.

Why the hell would I care if everyone on the planet knew I had a hernia operation at 16?

It's just biology, people.  You know, Mother Nature.

Christ Almighty.    lol

Your entire medical history should be easily accessed via a simple iris or fingerprint scan, so that relevant information is passed on to a ticketing agent or a bouncer so they can screen out irresponsible parties who seek to spread disease.  

[Meclazine for Israel]

Not a problem, I have had one for 10 years.

We have had them since the 70's.