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« on: April 03, 2021, 04:38:12 PM »



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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 06:15:44 PM »

So maybe less "coup" and maybe more """""coup""""".

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 06:26:45 PM »

From a collapse in turnout to a universal decimation of nearly a decade of growth recently, the Jordanian monarchy has responded to pressure of changing the economic and political sphere by brute force. The crackdown that will ensue now will only get worse as there's very little hope that US and Israeli aid will be enough to get an antiquated monarchy's economy out of the hole.

Jordan is conforming to similar trends in the Arabian Gulf, and the current king isn't as able to maneuver over this as Oman's Qaboos was.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2021, 05:45:10 AM »

So was this a Saudi backed thing or not?
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2021, 01:27:45 PM »

So was this a Saudi backed thing or not?

Furthermore, if it was Saudi-backed, were Israel and the UAE also involved?

IIRC Jordan is not happy about the Deal of the Century in regard to Israel-Palestine.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2021, 01:28:43 PM »

So maybe less "coup" and maybe more """""coup""""".




Yeah perhaps this was merely the result of royal paranoia, which is endemic to monarchical governments.

Though isn't Jordan supposed to be closer to a constitutional monarchy than the Gulf states?
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2021, 01:38:24 PM »

From the CNN article:

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regional powers including Egypt and Saudi Arabia have voiced support for King Abdullah

Makes sense. As a general rule, none of these governments want to lend credibility to political opposition to other governments in the region, for obvious reasons. The exceptions that prove the rule are either outright adversaries (Iran) or at least, bitterly annoy them (Turkey, Qatar), or are situations in which regional autocrats support military and security forces to roll back or pre-empt democracy after another autocrat is overthrown (Egypt, Sudan).
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2021, 01:47:03 PM »

Though isn't Jordan supposed to be closer to a constitutional monarchy than the Gulf states?

It is but it still has a much more politically active, powerful, and (thus?) corrupt royal family than we find with constitutional monarchies in the West.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2021, 10:51:44 PM »

Though isn't Jordan supposed to be closer to a constitutional monarchy than the Gulf states?

It is but it still has a much more politically active, powerful, and (thus?) corrupt royal family than we find with constitutional monarchies in the West.

Just wait until the Jacobites take the Liechtenstein throne.
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2021, 12:10:40 PM »


Though isn't Jordan supposed to be closer to a constitutional monarchy than the Gulf states?

It is but it still has a much more politically active, powerful, and (thus?) corrupt royal family than we find with constitutional monarchies in the West.

Just wait until the Jacobites take the Liechtenstein throne.

Joke's on them, Liechtenstein is not a real country and I refuse to change my mind on this.
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2021, 12:23:42 AM »

Though isn't Jordan supposed to be closer to a constitutional monarchy than the Gulf states?

It is but it still has a much more politically active, powerful, and (thus?) corrupt royal family than we find with constitutional monarchies in the West.

I am skeptical that the hereditary quasi-dictators of Jordan are particularly more corrupt than the hereditary quasi-dictators of, for example, the United Kingdom. The difference would more appear to be that the UK has been politically stable, and the corruption is normalized and seen as legitimate. But I don't think that necessarily equate with less corrupt.

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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2021, 08:50:54 AM »

Your points about our royal family are valid, and have been made before.

I would still maintain that there is a difference of degree, though.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2021, 09:18:18 PM »

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The Jordanian turmoil surprised observers, some of whom suspected that Abdullah was overreacting to family politics. But a careful reconstruction of the story, gathered from U.S., British, Saudi, Israeli and Jordanian sources, shows that the pressure on the king was real and had been building since Trump began pushing for his mega-peace plan, with Netanyahu and MBS as key allies. In retrospect, this was a plot hiding in plain sight.

Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and chief adviser on the negotiations, embraced Netanyahu and MBS — but grew increasingly antagonistic toward the Jordanian king. “It became a belief of Trump that the king was a hindrance to the peace process,” says one former senior CIA official. While Trump, Netanyahu and MBS don’t appear to have been working to overthrow the king, their actions clearly weakened him and encouraged his enemies.

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At the center of this story is Jerusalem, Israel’s political capital and a religious treasure for Christians and Muslims, as well as Jews. The Hashemite monarchy in Jordan owes much of its legitimacy to its role as custodian of the al-Aqsa Mosque there. Abdullah has described protection of the Muslim holy shrine as a “red line” for Jordan. Over the past three years, Abdullah felt that Trump, Netanyahu and MBS were all trying to displace him from that role, according to an American who knows the king well.

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2021, 10:40:25 PM »

Huh, the alphabet soup agencies haven’t had much success doing much of anything with the Don at the helm. Even still, I’m a bit skeptical. The arrested prince *is* a cosmopolitan liberal relatively speaking, so I’m not sure what the Trump administration could get out of him.

Oh well, at least if this was a wasted operation, it hit at the seams the Jordanian monarchy.
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