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Tintrlvr
Junior Chimp
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« on: March 19, 2021, 12:18:28 PM »
« edited: March 19, 2021, 12:31:56 PM by 306 »

This was a bad decision that is often studied in law school for the wrong reasons. The judge clearly did not understand grammar, as the understanding advanced by the drivers leads to an ungrammatical sentence where every item is separated by a comma and there is no conjunction, so it clearly could not be properly read the way they read it.

(For clarity's sake, let's just say it read "packing" instead of "packing for shipment or distribution" at the end. It would then read as follows: "The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing of:". Where's the conjunction? We don't even know if the commas are supposed to signify "and" or "or"!)

But the decision was ultimately motivated by politics by the judge and not an actual careful reading of the text anyway.

Yes, but not for reasons involving the serial comma. Every item on that list is a gerund, except for "shipment" and "distribution." If they were supposed to be read as part of the same series, it would read "storing, packing for shipment or distributing of." Of course in a real case you'd also look at the legislative history, which I'm too lazy to do here, but grammatically I think this favors the drivers.

Mixing gerunds and non-gerunds is perfectly grammatically permissible and not indicative one or another unless it's totally ambiguous. But it's not, as indicated above.
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Tintrlvr
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2021, 06:57:53 PM »

Yes, but not for reasons involving the serial comma. Every item on that list is a gerund, except for "shipment" and "distribution." If they were supposed to be read as part of the same series, it would read "storing, packing for shipment or distributing of." Of course in a real case you'd also look at the legislative history, which I'm too lazy to do here, but grammatically I think this favors the drivers.

Mixing gerunds and non-gerunds is perfectly grammatically permissible and not indicative one or another unless it's totally ambiguous. But it's not, as indicated above.
But it's also grammatically permissible to omit the conjunction! It is unusual, but so is a series of mixed gerunds and non-gerunds.

No, it's not permissible in proper English to omit the conjunction. Doing so creates ambiguity (is the rule that they have to be all of those the items in the list, or only one?). Sure, you might leave out  the conjunction in casual speech or writing (it's totally fine to speak or write ungrammatically, accepting that context clears up the ambiguity created), but that's not relevant. Mixing gerunds and non-gerunds isn't a grammatical rule at all and doesn't indicate anything.
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