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Question: Who do you vote for?
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Calvin Coolidge
 
#2
John W Davis
 
#3
Robert LaFollette
 
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Total Voters: 63

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« on: March 20, 2021, 11:20:00 PM »

La Follette>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Coolidge>>Davis

I'd still take Davis as a second choice, albeit a very distant second choice over Coolidge. He was better on immigration.

Davis gets a bad reputation as "one of those conservative Democrats" because of his various positions on issues relating to the South, but on matters of trusts/monopolies, immigration and a number of other issues he was certainly not conservative relative to Coolidge.
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2021, 11:26:12 PM »

La Follette>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Coolidge>>Davis

I'd still take Davis as a second choice, albeit a very distant second choice over Coolidge. He was better on immigration.

Davis gets a bad reputation as "one of those conservative Democrats" because of his various positions on issues relating to the South, but on matters of trusts/monopolies, immigration and a number of other issues he was certainly not conservative relative to Coolidge.
Did Davis ever express an opinion on immigration?

I don't know off hand, but it is hard to top Coolidge signing what was probably the most restrictive immigration law in history in terms of limiting it across the board.
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2021, 11:42:40 PM »

La Follette>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Coolidge>>Davis

I'd still take Davis as a second choice, albeit a very distant second choice over Coolidge. He was better on immigration.

Davis gets a bad reputation as "one of those conservative Democrats" because of his various positions on issues relating to the South, but on matters of trusts/monopolies, immigration and a number of other issues he was certainly not conservative relative to Coolidge.

That's because he was a corporate tool. As H.L. Mencken wrote,

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Dr. Davis is a lawyer whose life has been devoted to protecting the great enterprises of Big Business. He used to work for J. Pierpont Morgan, and he has himself said that he is proud of the fact. Mr. Morgan is an international banker, engaged in squeezing nations that are hard up and in trouble. His operations are safeguarded for him by the manpower of the United States. He was one of the principal beneficiaries of the late war, and made millions out of it. The Government hospitals are now full of one-legged soldiers who gallantly protected his investments then, and the public schools are full of boys who will protect his investments tomorrow.

And yet he ran against Coolidge claiming he was a tool of the monopolists and it is not for nothing that you had LaFollette running against both of them.

Also tight relationships between the business wing of the Democratic Party and Wall Street is not exclusive to the early 20th century. Was certainly true in the days of Cleveland and Clinton as well.
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2021, 08:55:11 PM »

Now, in fairness, as that article mentions, Davis was not the most Progressive Democrat, and in fact some Democrats felt he was too conservative (and considering what I've posted thus far, that says something about the Democratic Party of the 1920s and about party switch ideology in general), and he unfortunately went down the Al Smith route of turning to Conservatism in the 1930s and beyond. But to call him a Corporate Tool (in 1924 at least) is to ignore his career up to that point and his actions in the Wilson administration in particular in favour of party switch ideology.

Thank you for your inclusions of these texts.

Any revisionism of the post WJB and especially post Wilson Democratic Party has being to the right of the GOP is completely ridiculous. Yes you had me tooism as you always do when one party is dominant and the other tries to chase after it, like with those citing comments by Wilkie as some kind of proof of this fall flat likewise does it so here. Wilkie's liberal gymnasitics won't put him to the left of the New Deal, just like Davis's actions here would not put him to the right of Coolidge.

It is also worthy of note that the party line at the time about the monopolies as such were demanding in such a way as to ensure that Davis had to run a certain platform and serving Wilson also dictated likewise regardless of his personal views. It also worthy of note that during the 1900s many Democrats claimed TR's actions against the Trusts did not go far enough and that he was even on the take from them and yes many of these same Democrats were either horrible segregationists or silent enablers of such just like Wilson himself and to some extent FDR.
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