UK By-elections thread, 2021-

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Corbyn’s biggest failure was compromising too much on the issues with these centrist neoliberal people.

That's the level of political analysis I expect from this board! From a person that got pinned by Jade Cargill twice no less.

“Leave” won the vote and that was always irreversible, something politicians needed to respect instead of creating a telenovela with it. Corbyn should have kept his ground on that and maintained his original positions, there’s a clear reason he had a good performance in 2017, unlike 2019. And that’s directly liked to murky positions about Brexit in 2019 in which you saw the weakening of the red wall in working class communities in order to appeal to big city progressive remainers.

What you’re seeing is the centrist sector of Labour simply strengthening that trend by completely taking out the rest of what appeals to working class communities. With Corbyn 2019 there was mostly Brexit ambivalence as a big problem, now instead of correcting that, the problem is enlarged to almost everything else in the party. There is no vision, no project.

Hartlepool is extremely symbolic of that, as they voted to 'Leave' by 69.5%, making it one of the highest Leave-voting Labour-held seats in the UK. Now they’re going Conservative for the very first time.

Labour strategy should’ve been getting past Brexit as quickly as possible. Remainers would be kinda pissed at first but would eventually accept the democratic decision after it was over. But leave voters would never see a reversal with good eyes. City remainer elites helped to sabotage Labour, which lost its identity and base trust.

Conservatives were much more competent in maintaining both their “leave” and “remain” base. Like him or not, Boris respected voters democratic decision on the referendum. Conservatives were also successful by:

- Vaccination being much quicker than in the rest of Europe
- More economic moderation under Boris in some matters; respect for NHS and other services
- Effective lockdowns enforced gave more credibility to the conservative leadership in dealing with Covid.

Basically, to resume everything:

Boris  > Trump
Bernie > Corbyn
Biden >>> Starmer

The main reason people didn’t vote for Labour in these local elections is because of Keir Starmer leadership.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1390724467383472130

The crazy thing was that after 2019 went poorly because Corbyn had taken more strongly anti Brexit stances and I think over 2/3rds of England and Wales constituencies had voted Leave, the Labour party doubled down on this and picked the Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union to be their leader.

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I think that is an.......over-simplistic reading of things. Labour going into a 2019 GE on an openly Lexit platform might have seen them lucky to get 150 seats never mind 200.

Obviously Labour wasn't going to be pro Leave, but Corbyn was somewhat more neutral in 2017.

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Hilarious election.