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Gary JG
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« on: April 02, 2021, 06:14:55 AM »

The Liberal Democrats have re-selected their local 2017 and 2019 candidate Andrew Hagon, to stand in the by-election. So there is at least one candidate who has not moved in from another area, but I doubt that will make any noticeable difference to the result.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-56609924
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2021, 10:05:03 AM »

Death of Dame Cheryl Gillan MP (C-Chesham & Amersham) has been announced. It is a bit to soon for it to be seemly to speculate about the by-election but it is obvious that one will have to be held later in the year.

Condolences to the late MPs family and friends.

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56641597
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Gary JG
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2021, 06:01:37 PM »

Reichsbürger at elections!

Have there ever been subtitution candidates in the UKs FPTP elections?

I do not understand what relevance the German Reichsbürger movement has to a UK election. I am not aware that the somewhat similar sovereign citizen people, sometimes active in the UK, have ever involved themselves in electoral politics.

I presume by a substitution candidate you mean someone who is nominated to fill the vacancy, if the elected candidate ceases to be a member of the legislature, without the need for a by-election. No such concept exists or has ever existed in UK Parliamentary electoral law.

During the world wars the Conservative, Labour and Liberal parties entered into electoral pacts, so they would nominate candidates only to fill the vacancies in seats they already held. However there was nothing to stop Independent or other party candidates from contesting and sometimes winning by-elections.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2021, 04:44:26 PM »

Why should Sir Keir Starmer have to resign because of two by-election losses? Labour leaders, back to Harold Wilson in the 1966-70 Parliament, have suffered numerous large by-election defeats without having to resign. The talent pool in the Parliamentary Labour Party seems very shallow at the moment, so I do not see how any possible replacement would be certain to be an improvement.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2021, 06:17:54 AM »

Is a there a farmer vs non-farmer divide in this counstieuncy ?

Farming community (many more people than those directly employed in agriculture) and not, yes. This is extremely productive lowland dairying country, and therefore the farming community is monstrously Tory and has been since they were given the right to vote. There's also a substantial military element, if not to the extent that was the case during the Cold War. The towns are politically and socially mixed: sizeable but not massive market towns with a degree of prosperity in places but also some big estates and more industry (esp. food processing) than outsiders tend to notice.
Why has labour not been able to make inroads with agricultural communities ? The liberal democrats seem to be stronger among them then the labour party.

I think you have to look at the politics of the 19th century, to understand Liberal and to a greater extent Labour weakness in agricultural areas. The aristocrats and gentry who dominated rural areas in the 19th century were originally divided between Whig and Tory factions. Often leading families negotiated to share out available parliamentary seats, in the counties and rotten boroughs under their influence.

By the 1840s the national leaderships of both parties were influenced by urban interests and insane ideas like the highest national priority no longer being maximising the income of rural landowners.

The Conservative leader of the time was Sir Robert Peel. His money came not from landowning but from manufacturing. Peel favoured free trade and reducing protection for agricultural interests. He went too far, too fast and badly split his party. The Tory squires looked for a protectionist leader in the Commons, as a reaction to the repeal of the Corn laws (which had guaranteed a minimum price for grain and thus had increased the price of food to consumers above the free market price). They found Lord George Bentinck, who had been an obscure backbench MP for decades, but had the advantages of being the son of a Duke and someone prominent in horse racing circles. He was also backed by Benjamin Disraeli, who actually had some political talents.

Meanwhile the Earl of Derby was the only prominent member of the Conservative leadership who broke with Peel and so he  became the prospective protectionist national leader. The Peelites or liberal conservatives remained a distinct group for a time, but ultimately realigned between Derby's party and the Whigs. By 1859 a formal Liberal Party was organised and Peel's political heir, W.E. Gladstone, became the dominant figure in that party for most of the second half of the 19th century.

Gladstone split the Liberal Party, over Irish home rule, in 1886. Most of the Whig families became Liberal Unionists and Liberal prospects in most English agricultural areas disappeared. The agricultural labourers union leaders also joined the Liberal Unionists.

Labour support was slow to develop in most agricultural areas and the reduction in the size of the agricultural labour force during the 20th century made such vote as was developed gradually reduce. The Liberals, weak as they were in agricultural districts, usually had a bit more support there than Labour so this also reduced Labour's chances.
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