UK By-elections thread, 2021-

[Red Velvet]

Lol Starmer is a joke!

How can this be?! Starmer was a C E N T R I S T

This Labour disaster is so refreshing. Such delicious news to have on breakfast.

Corbyn’s biggest failure was compromising too much on the issues with these centrist neoliberal people, especially regarding stuff like Brexit when he clearly was correct in his earlier political instincts. He should’ve kept his more sympathetic positions towards “leave”. His mistake was not being enough of a radical.

The centrists obviously came to the opposite conclusion and will insist on everything that doesn’t work. Labour will keep losing relevance, alongside many other social democratic European parties that simply refuse to reinvent themselves.

[Red Velvet]

Corbyn’s biggest failure was compromising too much on the issues with these centrist neoliberal people.

That's the level of political analysis I expect from this board! From a person that got pinned by Jade Cargill twice no less.

“Leave” won the vote and that was always irreversible, something politicians needed to respect instead of creating a telenovela with it. Corbyn should have kept his ground on that and maintained his original positions, there’s a clear reason he had a good performance in 2017, unlike 2019. And that’s directly liked to murky positions about Brexit in 2019 in which you saw the weakening of the red wall in working class communities in order to appeal to big city progressive remainers.

What you’re seeing is the centrist sector of Labour simply strengthening that trend by completely taking out the rest of what appeals to working class communities. With Corbyn 2019 there was mostly Brexit ambivalence as a big problem, now instead of correcting that, the problem is enlarged to almost everything else in the party. There is no vision, no project.

Hartlepool is extremely symbolic of that, as they voted to 'Leave' by 69.5%, making it one of the highest Leave-voting Labour-held seats in the UK. Now they’re going Conservative for the very first time.

Labour strategy should’ve been getting past Brexit as quickly as possible. Remainers would be kinda pissed at first but would eventually accept the democratic decision after it was over. But leave voters would never see a reversal with good eyes. City remainer elites helped to sabotage Labour, which lost its identity and base trust.

Conservatives were much more competent in maintaining both their “leave” and “remain” base. Like him or not, Boris respected voters democratic decision on the referendum. Conservatives were also successful by:

- Vaccination being much quicker than in the rest of Europe
- More economic moderation under Boris in some matters; respect for NHS and other services
- Effective lockdowns enforced gave more credibility to the conservative leadership in dealing with Covid.

Basically, to resume everything:

Boris  > Trump
Bernie > Corbyn
Biden >>> Starmer

The main reason people didn’t vote for Labour in these local elections is because of Keir Starmer leadership.

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