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slimey56
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« on: March 10, 2021, 06:49:06 PM »

We need more Dems to call out GOP hypocrisy like this. My opinion of Tim Ryan went way down after his dumpster fire of a presidential campaign, but this was an amazing speech. This is the kind of sentiment the Democratic Party needs.

If this was what people saw of the Democratic Party they’d win every election everywhere. Except maybe Miami and Mississippi.

The whole party needs to be more like Tim Ryan and Sherrod Brown. None of the woke BS and focusing on kitchen table issues.



Ryan's previous anti-abortion stances are why the party will never get behind him at large. His votes on the partial-birth abortion ban and human stem cell research are somehow no-starters even though the last 2 Democratic nominees both voting for the Iraq War somehow doesn't hurt them. Even though I am staunchly pro-choice, he's made it clear he supports the Clintonian philosophy of "safe, legal, and rare" and his voting record reflects a change post-2006.

Overall, you're exactly right. Ryan's been in there for years fighting for worker's rights, a fair wage, fair trading policies, legal weed, and renewable energy.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2021, 07:04:29 PM »

We need more Dems to call out GOP hypocrisy like this. My opinion of Tim Ryan went way down after his dumpster fire of a presidential campaign, but this was an amazing speech. This is the kind of sentiment the Democratic Party needs.

If this was what people saw of the Democratic Party they’d win every election everywhere. Except maybe Miami and Mississippi.

The whole party needs to be more like Tim Ryan and Sherrod Brown. None of the woke BS and focusing on kitchen table issues.



Ryan's previous anti-abortion stances are why the party will never get behind him at large. His votes on the partial-birth abortion ban and human stem cell research are somehow no-starters even though the last 2 Democratic nominees both voting for the Iraq War somehow doesn't hurt them. Even though I am staunchly pro-choice, he's made it clear he supports the Clintonian philosophy of "safe, legal, and rare" and his voting record reflects a change post-2006.

Overall, you're exactly right. Ryan's been in there for years fighting for worker's rights, a fair wage, fair trading policies, legal weed, and renewable energy.


While I certainly can't foreclose some DSA Bernie wing activist from baby Gardener enough traction off these old votes to mount a serious primary challenge, the Democratic bench in Ohio is just plain pitiful.. the age of these somewhat conservative positions combined with his current Progressive stance, along with damn near being the only game in town, gives him a big leg up in any primary.


Oh agreed, Ryan's very much one of the last of a dying breed. You most certainly know about Ohio politics more than I do, but could you see it being similar to PA where Casey's relatively conservative stances on social issues and strong pro-labor+pro-trade record gives him an edge with traditional working-class Dems that have left the party?
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2021, 03:04:27 AM »
« Edited: March 11, 2021, 05:37:46 AM by slimey56 »

We need more Dems to call out GOP hypocrisy like this. My opinion of Tim Ryan went way down after his dumpster fire of a presidential campaign, but this was an amazing speech. This is the kind of sentiment the Democratic Party needs.

If this was what people saw of the Democratic Party they’d win every election everywhere. Except maybe Miami and Mississippi.

The whole party needs to be more like Tim Ryan and Sherrod Brown. None of the woke BS and focusing on kitchen table issues.



Ryan's previous anti-abortion stances are why the party will never get behind him at large. His votes on the partial-birth abortion ban and human stem cell research are somehow no-starters even though the last 2 Democratic nominees both voting for the Iraq War somehow doesn't hurt them. Even though I am staunchly pro-choice, he's made it clear he supports the Clintonian philosophy of "safe, legal, and rare" and his voting record reflects a change post-2006.

Overall, you're exactly right. Ryan's been in there for years fighting for worker's rights, a fair wage, fair trading policies, legal weed, and renewable energy.


While I certainly can't foreclose some DSA Bernie wing activist from baby Gardener enough traction off these old votes to mount a serious primary challenge, the Democratic bench in Ohio is just plain pitiful.. the age of these somewhat conservative positions combined with his current Progressive stance, along with damn near being the only game in town, gives him a big leg up in any primary.


Oh agreed, Ryan's very much one of the last of a dying breed. You most certainly know about Ohio politics more than I do, but could you see it being similar to PA where Casey's relatively conservative stances on social issues and strong pro-labor+pro-trade record gives him an edge with traditional working-class Dems that have left the party?


Casey is actually a pretty good example. His prior pro-life and adamant pro-gun positions have silently melted away. Push comes to shove he's fundamentally pro-choice. He's just done a good job triangulating and building an image that it's very tough to lump him in with any part of the woke wing of the party.

Come to think of it, like Ryan and Sherrod Brown, the issue has always been a matter of emphasis. They've made their bones in their career hammering on issues of economic policy and supporting unions, pro-labor policies, Etc. While their boats are reliable in terms of things like Republican judicial nominees or abortion legislation, and maybe even reasonable gun-control legislation as well, their image is rightly and justifiably crafted that people know them as a blue collar working guy representative human stuff to associate with things like Pepe Le Pew or Dumbo getting canceled.


To an extent. Casey still supports the Hyde Amendment and every now and then sponsors symbolic measures like the 20-week ban that won’t ever pass. Though yes, the fact that he is a reliable vote on the Supreme Court and has a known record of supporting contraception while also earning the vote of my mom-mom who is very pro-life is a testament to his strategy. He can afford to be a pro-choice vote because after all, his family name is often mentioned with the words "undue burden". Agreed on other issues, he supported the high-capacity bill and has drastically softened his stance on drug abuse.


More or less it sounds like a matter of authenticity. The fact that all three have such a strong records on supporting policies that well.... improve their lives resonates with voters in the region. I do agree that they are a model for Dems in the Rust Belt. Same with Cartwright, Lamb, and Doyle. The DNC needs to pass this legislation and then hammer the GOP on being fiscally irresponsible for passing a massive tax cut.






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